Tell me about Alexandria and South Arlington Schools

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, you will see on this board any number of highly negative comments re the Alexandria schools (ACPS typically refers to Alexandria, and APS to Arlington). We're ACPS parents and we believe the comments are generally malicious nonsense; we like ACPS a great deal. Pls specify the grade level(s) and people can offer thoughts about particular schools.


Except the numbers don't lie.

ACPS schools for a number of years have been some of the worst performing schools in the state. There are a handful of elementary schools that are OK (but pale in comparison to Arlington and Fairfax when it comes to most metrics, including many beyond testing). The middle schools were unaccredited for many years. And TC Williams was literally the second-worst school in Virginia just a few years ago and received the Persistent Least Achieving School tag. These are just facts. And when you talk to policymakers in Alexandria, they will acknowledge it and blame the high levels of poverty in the schools. And, yes, the presence of poverty is highly correlated with underachievement and other problems such as discipline, students with no parental support, high levels of foreign language and teaching to the least common denominator. You also see a heavily bifurcated system where the upper middle class white families that "tough it out" have a very different experience than others, hence the "Yale or Jail" tag on TC Williams. You also have staunch defenders, although many of them have literally known no other school system, so they don't have anything to compare.

The big question now is what trajectory is ACPS on? Are the schools improving? Perhaps -- I'm hearing encouraging things about GW Middle School and TC, for example. But given the system's recent history of unsubstantiated bluster about improvements, it's hard to tell whether it's true. I think it is -- but I also think perceptions are lagging.

South Arlington schools have similar issues. On the plus side, there's a lot diversity. I was in Randolph recently and counted students from 12 countries depicted on a wall of "About me" projects written in Spanish (for a FLES class, I assume). They included Ethiopia, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Honduras, Eritrea, Mexico, Peru, El Salvador, Jordan, Iraq, India, Bangladesh and several others. There were 7 children out of about 50 on the wall that hailed from the United States. That was fascinating to me. I think language issues are probably more prominent in some of the South Arlington schools as poverty.

Arlington in general also has better enrichment programming than some Alexandria schools. School plays and robust music programs, for example. FLES in elementary schools, as I mentioned. Fairfax has the AAP program -- Alexandria's gifted program seems like it's always mired in controversy over racial representation, and Arlington just doesn't really give a crap about gifted since its students by and large perform at a really high level. Arlington has more facilities than Alexandria -- more fields, more pools, more libraries, etc. etc. So, all things to think about.




Pp- can you give me some observations about Randolph? It's almost impossible to get first hand information about it. I would bet that the middle class parents sending their kids there are most laid back, and not frequenting these boards. My kid is slated to go there in a few years. It's a little soon for me to be knocking on the principal's door asking for a tour.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:if you're ok with diversity in schools then there's nothing uniquely bad about s arl. not gonna be great (you get what you paid for), but not bad either.




Just to clarify, you paid more specifically because you're not okay with diversity? There's a word for this, let me see if I can think of it . . .


NP. But isn't that the American, suburban way? Segregation by income.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about Alexandria schools, but my family and I are in south Arlington. The main issue I see is that there are some real disparities in the socioeconomic make-up of school populations. The curriculum and staff are, largely, the same as in north Arlington. But your PTA may not be able to raise as much money for the extras. Field trips may not be as frequent or as diverse. Same goes for after school enrichment offerings; they vary widely depending on the resources (money and parent volunteers) the PTA can commit. Same issue for clubs, and all the things that Title 1 money can't be used for. If you're involved parents who can provide enrichment outside of the classroom, a lot of this won't matter to your child's education. And your child will have academic peers at any school. The kids who are really being hurt by the lack of socioeconomic diversity are the ones who are already at a disadvantage. South Arlington is also developing rather quickly, and as more young families of means move in and put down roots, the schools are changing, too. Depending on the school, you may have the best of both worlds at this point in time. My child is being exposed to diverse cultures, languages, and perspectives on life, and is being taught by some of the best teachers in the region, with small class sizes, and excellent facilities (APS budget is not in danger of being cut, unlike FFX). And the other parents in our (higher) SES demographic in our neighborhood and school are accepting, not hyper-competitive or snobbish people, which I have observed is less common the farther north of 50 you go in Arlington. This is a generalization; there are exceptions to this observation on both sides of 50 who are happy to prove me wrong. Are you targeting particular neighborhoods or schools?


"more young families of means[.]" Code words....

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If you're in central or western Fairfax now you're likely zoned for much better schools than in Alexandria or South Arlington, which have some of the worst schools in NoVa.


Nope. I'd take any Arlington school over any Fairfax school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you're in central or western Fairfax now you're likely zoned for much better schools than in Alexandria or South Arlington, which have some of the worst schools in NoVa.


Nope. I'd take any Arlington school over any Fairfax school.


Whatever, APS is mediocre.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

http://www.apsva.us/site/Default.aspx?PageID=31571





Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, you will see on this board any number of highly negative comments re the Alexandria schools (ACPS typically refers to Alexandria, and APS to Arlington). We're ACPS parents and we believe the comments are generally malicious nonsense; we like ACPS a great deal. Pls specify the grade level(s) and people can offer thoughts about particular schools.


Except the numbers don't lie.

ACPS schools for a number of years have been some of the worst performing schools in the state. There are a handful of elementary schools that are OK (but pale in comparison to Arlington and Fairfax when it comes to most metrics, including many beyond testing). The middle schools were unaccredited for many years. And TC Williams was literally the second-worst school in Virginia just a few years ago and received the Persistent Least Achieving School tag. These are just facts. And when you talk to policymakers in Alexandria, they will acknowledge it and blame the high levels of poverty in the schools. And, yes, the presence of poverty is highly correlated with underachievement and other problems such as discipline, students with no parental support, high levels of foreign language and teaching to the least common denominator. You also see a heavily bifurcated system where the upper middle class white families that "tough it out" have a very different experience than others, hence the "Yale or Jail" tag on TC Williams. You also have staunch defenders, although many of them have literally known no other school system, so they don't have anything to compare.

The big question now is what trajectory is ACPS on? Are the schools improving? Perhaps -- I'm hearing encouraging things about GW Middle School and TC, for example. But given the system's recent history of unsubstantiated bluster about improvements, it's hard to tell whether it's true. I think it is -- but I also think perceptions are lagging.

South Arlington schools have similar issues. On the plus side, there's a lot diversity. I was in Randolph recently and counted students from 12 countries depicted on a wall of "About me" projects written in Spanish (for a FLES class, I assume). They included Ethiopia, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Honduras, Eritrea, Mexico, Peru, El Salvador, Jordan, Iraq, India, Bangladesh and several others. There were 7 children out of about 50 on the wall that hailed from the United States. That was fascinating to me. I think language issues are probably more prominent in some of the South Arlington schools as poverty.

Arlington in general also has better enrichment programming than some Alexandria schools. School plays and robust music programs, for example. FLES in elementary schools, as I mentioned. Fairfax has the AAP program -- Alexandria's gifted program seems like it's always mired in controversy over racial representation, and Arlington just doesn't really give a crap about gifted since its students by and large perform at a really high level. Arlington has more facilities than Alexandria -- more fields, more pools, more libraries, etc. etc. So, all things to think about.




Pp- can you give me some observations about Randolph? It's almost impossible to get first hand information about it. I would bet that the middle class parents sending their kids there are most laid back, and not frequenting these boards. My kid is slated to go there in a few years. It's a little soon for me to be knocking on the principal's door asking for a tour.


pp here. Sorry, my children don't attend Randolph, I've only been in the school for other reasons. I'm one of those North Arlington parents who you assume is uptight and racist. Of course, you know the adage about assumptions.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you're in central or western Fairfax now you're likely zoned for much better schools than in Alexandria or South Arlington, which have some of the worst schools in NoVa.


Nope. I'd take any Arlington school over any Fairfax school.


Whatever, APS is mediocre.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

http://www.apsva.us/site/Default.aspx?PageID=31571

Dude. You cited US News. You lose. LOL.



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about Alexandria schools, but my family and I are in south Arlington. The main issue I see is that there are some real disparities in the socioeconomic make-up of school populations. The curriculum and staff are, largely, the same as in north Arlington. But your PTA may not be able to raise as much money for the extras. Field trips may not be as frequent or as diverse. Same goes for after school enrichment offerings; they vary widely depending on the resources (money and parent volunteers) the PTA can commit. Same issue for clubs, and all the things that Title 1 money can't be used for. If you're involved parents who can provide enrichment outside of the classroom, a lot of this won't matter to your child's education. And your child will have academic peers at any school. The kids who are really being hurt by the lack of socioeconomic diversity are the ones who are already at a disadvantage. South Arlington is also developing rather quickly, and as more young families of means move in and put down roots, the schools are changing, too. Depending on the school, you may have the best of both worlds at this point in time. My child is being exposed to diverse cultures, languages, and perspectives on life, and is being taught by some of the best teachers in the region, with small class sizes, and excellent facilities (APS budget is not in danger of being cut, unlike FFX). And the other parents in our (higher) SES demographic in our neighborhood and school are accepting, not hyper-competitive or snobbish people, which I have observed is less common the farther north of 50 you go in Arlington. This is a generalization; there are exceptions to this observation on both sides of 50 who are happy to prove me wrong. Are you targeting particular neighborhoods or schools?


"more young families of means[.]" Code words....



Those aren't "code words" you dingbat. They are literal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, you will see on this board any number of highly negative comments re the Alexandria schools (ACPS typically refers to Alexandria, and APS to Arlington). We're ACPS parents and we believe the comments are generally malicious nonsense; we like ACPS a great deal. Pls specify the grade level(s) and people can offer thoughts about particular schools.


Except the numbers don't lie.

ACPS schools for a number of years have been some of the worst performing schools in the state. There are a handful of elementary schools that are OK (but pale in comparison to Arlington and Fairfax when it comes to most metrics, including many beyond testing). The middle schools were unaccredited for many years. And TC Williams was literally the second-worst school in Virginia just a few years ago and received the Persistent Least Achieving School tag. These are just facts. And when you talk to policymakers in Alexandria, they will acknowledge it and blame the high levels of poverty in the schools. And, yes, the presence of poverty is highly correlated with underachievement and other problems such as discipline, students with no parental support, high levels of foreign language and teaching to the least common denominator. You also see a heavily bifurcated system where the upper middle class white families that "tough it out" have a very different experience than others, hence the "Yale or Jail" tag on TC Williams. You also have staunch defenders, although many of them have literally known no other school system, so they don't have anything to compare.

The big question now is what trajectory is ACPS on? Are the schools improving? Perhaps -- I'm hearing encouraging things about GW Middle School and TC, for example. But given the system's recent history of unsubstantiated bluster about improvements, it's hard to tell whether it's true. I think it is -- but I also think perceptions are lagging.

South Arlington schools have similar issues. On the plus side, there's a lot diversity. I was in Randolph recently and counted students from 12 countries depicted on a wall of "About me" projects written in Spanish (for a FLES class, I assume). They included Ethiopia, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Honduras, Eritrea, Mexico, Peru, El Salvador, Jordan, Iraq, India, Bangladesh and several others. There were 7 children out of about 50 on the wall that hailed from the United States. That was fascinating to me. I think language issues are probably more prominent in some of the South Arlington schools as poverty.

Arlington in general also has better enrichment programming than some Alexandria schools. School plays and robust music programs, for example. FLES in elementary schools, as I mentioned. Fairfax has the AAP program -- Alexandria's gifted program seems like it's always mired in controversy over racial representation, and Arlington just doesn't really give a crap about gifted since its students by and large perform at a really high level. Arlington has more facilities than Alexandria -- more fields, more pools, more libraries, etc. etc. So, all things to think about.




Pp- can you give me some observations about Randolph? It's almost impossible to get first hand information about it. I would bet that the middle class parents sending their kids there are most laid back, and not frequenting these boards. My kid is slated to go there in a few years. It's a little soon for me to be knocking on the principal's door asking for a tour.


pp here. Sorry, my children don't attend Randolph, I've only been in the school for other reasons. I'm one of those North Arlington parents who you assume is uptight and racist. Of course, you know the adage about assumptions.


I sure do, and your assumptions make you sound like an ass. I didn't say anything negative about north Arlington parents. I merely noted that a middle income family, willing to send their kid to a school with 78% poverty is probably pretty laid back when it comes to public education. Why you would interject racism into that... Methinks the lady doth protest too much...

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you're in central or western Fairfax now you're likely zoned for much better schools than in Alexandria or South Arlington, which have some of the worst schools in NoVa.


Nope. I'd take any Arlington school over any Fairfax school.


Whatever, APS is mediocre.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

http://www.apsva.us/site/Default.aspx?PageID=31571

And you live in Fairfax county. You lose again.



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you're in central or western Fairfax now you're likely zoned for much better schools than in Alexandria or South Arlington, which have some of the worst schools in NoVa.


Nope. I'd take any Arlington school over any Fairfax school.


Whatever, APS is mediocre.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

http://www.apsva.us/site/Default.aspx?PageID=31571

And you live in Fairfax county. You lose again.



LOL. You live in a county where the best known school is Marymount.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you're in central or western Fairfax now you're likely zoned for much better schools than in Alexandria or South Arlington, which have some of the worst schools in NoVa.


Nope. I'd take any Arlington school over any Fairfax school.


Whatever, APS is mediocre.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

http://www.apsva.us/site/Default.aspx?PageID=31571

And you live in Fairfax county. You lose again.



LOL. You live in a county where the best known school is Marymount.


That's just a dumb comment. Get back to your boring life in a dull suburb and stop posting idiotic things here.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about Alexandria schools, but my family and I are in south Arlington. The main issue I see is that there are some real disparities in the socioeconomic make-up of school populations. The curriculum and staff are, largely, the same as in north Arlington. But your PTA may not be able to raise as much money for the extras. Field trips may not be as frequent or as diverse. Same goes for after school enrichment offerings; they vary widely depending on the resources (money and parent volunteers) the PTA can commit. Same issue for clubs, and all the things that Title 1 money can't be used for. If you're involved parents who can provide enrichment outside of the classroom, a lot of this won't matter to your child's education. And your child will have academic peers at any school. The kids who are really being hurt by the lack of socioeconomic diversity are the ones who are already at a disadvantage. South Arlington is also developing rather quickly, and as more young families of means move in and put down roots, the schools are changing, too. Depending on the school, you may have the best of both worlds at this point in time. My child is being exposed to diverse cultures, languages, and perspectives on life, and is being taught by some of the best teachers in the region, with small class sizes, and excellent facilities (APS budget is not in danger of being cut, unlike FFX). And the other parents in our (higher) SES demographic in our neighborhood and school are accepting, not hyper-competitive or snobbish people, which I have observed is less common the farther north of 50 you go in Arlington. This is a generalization; there are exceptions to this observation on both sides of 50 who are happy to prove me wrong. Are you targeting particular neighborhoods or schools?


"more young families of means[.]" Code words....



Those aren't "code words" you dingbat. They are literal.


Nope. It means wealthier, white folks.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you're in central or western Fairfax now you're likely zoned for much better schools than in Alexandria or South Arlington, which have some of the worst schools in NoVa.


Nope. I'd take any Arlington school over any Fairfax school.


Whatever, APS is mediocre.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

http://www.apsva.us/site/Default.aspx?PageID=31571

And you live in Fairfax county. You lose again.





Fairfax schools are towering mediocrities. But, to be fair, kids in Fairfax will have easy commutes to George Mason from their basements in their parents' house.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you're in central or western Fairfax now you're likely zoned for much better schools than in Alexandria or South Arlington, which have some of the worst schools in NoVa.


Nope. I'd take any Arlington school over any Fairfax school.


Whatever, APS is mediocre.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2839

http://www.apsva.us/site/Default.aspx?PageID=31571

And you live in Fairfax county. You lose again.



LOL. You live in a county where the best known school is Marymount.


That's just a dumb comment. Get back to your boring life in a dull suburb and stop posting idiotic things here.


Are you talking to yourself again?
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