What will Closing D.G. General Mean for DCPS Elementary Schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On another note about Payne - what if Brent and Maury adopted Payne as a sister school and shared some of their generous fundraising mojo? I admit to being a little sickened by the idea of parents spending $500 each at an auction, while a school 6 blocks away doesn't get anything.

That school gets both at risk funding from DCPS and Title 1 funds. whether that's enough to meet the needs is another question altogether, but the local system and federal government provides additional funding for schools serving more impoverished communities. Except for the NW powerhouse fundraisers like Mann and Janney this exceeds what other schools raise independently.

Well I doubt that Title I money can go for extras like teaching aids and after school enrichment?

where do you think it goes? social workers, aides for special needs populations, but these are the supports needed. The role of aides is very different in schools like Payne and Miner than in schools like Brent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:40% of kids in DC shelters are under age 2. Like, babies and 1 year olds. Most kids in shelter are not elementary school aged. The new shelters are probably going to have no more than about 100 kids, so about 1 or 2 per grade will likely enroll in the IB elementary school.

I live in an area where a shelter is planned and our school is already about 10% homeless and about 1/4 have IEPs (not necessarily an overlap but in many cases it is). We need more support already, but this will only be a very small increase.

10:21 here.

That is definitely true right now, but given the huge percentage of kids under 2 and the degree to which charters are already saturated, I think this is an opportunity to plan for more children attending their IB schools at PK3. Today's 2-year-olds, depending on when their birthday is, are entering DCPS this year or the next. They will not oversaturate any specific school, but given the magnitude of the crisis, I don't think it's reasonable to plan that family homelessness is going to dramatically decrease in the next 2 years. I think it would be a better idea to plan for the schools who are receiving shelters sending some of their children - younger, older, whatever - to those schools and have systems in place to manage that. I know that at our school, we have already received contact from a shelter that is opening within our boundary about working together to provide the best transition for the kids. There is no reason that that cannot happen in an intentional way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:40% of kids in DC shelters are under age 2. Like, babies and 1 year olds. Most kids in shelter are not elementary school aged. The new shelters are probably going to have no more than about 100 kids, so about 1 or 2 per grade will likely enroll in the IB elementary school.

I live in an area where a shelter is planned and our school is already about 10% homeless and about 1/4 have IEPs (not necessarily an overlap but in many cases it is). We need more support already, but this will only be a very small increase.

I've seen this 40% stat on a couple threads now (probably from the same poster). Could you please point us to the source? Thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:40% of kids in DC shelters are under age 2. Like, babies and 1 year olds. Most kids in shelter are not elementary school aged. The new shelters are probably going to have no more than about 100 kids, so about 1 or 2 per grade will likely enroll in the IB elementary school.

I live in an area where a shelter is planned and our school is already about 10% homeless and about 1/4 have IEPs (not necessarily an overlap but in many cases it is). We need more support already, but this will only be a very small increase.

I've seen this 40% stat on a couple threads now (probably from the same poster). Could you please point us to the source? Thanks.

10:21/immediate PP here. One place I saw it was here: http://www.playtimeproject.org/2016/02/make-room-for-the-babies/

This is an organization that works within the shelters, with the kids. I have worked with them in the past. There is also a census taken at DC General nightly, which is probably where the actual numbers come from. I don't get the census counts anymore, though, so I can't look.

Point is, it's not a bullshit number. It is actually based on something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On another note about Payne - what if Brent and Maury adopted Payne as a sister school and shared some of their generous fundraising mojo? I admit to being a little sickened by the idea of parents spending $500 each at an auction, while a school 6 blocks away doesn't get anything.

That school gets both at risk funding from DCPS and Title 1 funds. whether that's enough to meet the needs is another question altogether, but the local system and federal government provides additional funding for schools serving more impoverished communities. Except for the NW powerhouse fundraisers like Mann and Janney this exceeds what other schools raise independently.

Well I doubt that Title I money can go for extras like teaching aids and after school enrichment?

where do you think it goes? social workers, aides for special needs populations, but these are the supports needed. The role of aides is very different in schools like Payne and Miner than in schools like Brent.

I don't really believe that Maury and Brent are at a financial disadvantage to Payne and Miner for one second. The extra money goes for additional needs of the kids, like special needs services - I doubt it goes for all the nice discretionary extras that the rich schools use their PTA money on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On another note about Payne - what if Brent and Maury adopted Payne as a sister school and shared some of their generous fundraising mojo? I admit to being a little sickened by the idea of parents spending $500 each at an auction, while a school 6 blocks away doesn't get anything.

That school gets both at risk funding from DCPS and Title 1 funds. whether that's enough to meet the needs is another question altogether, but the local system and federal government provides additional funding for schools serving more impoverished communities. Except for the NW powerhouse fundraisers like Mann and Janney this exceeds what other schools raise independently.

Well I doubt that Title I money can go for extras like teaching aids and after school enrichment?

where do you think it goes? social workers, aides for special needs populations, but these are the supports needed. The role of aides is very different in schools like Payne and Miner than in schools like Brent.

I don't really believe that Maury and Brent are at a financial disadvantage to Payne and Miner for one second. The extra money goes for additional needs of the kids, like special needs services - I doubt it goes for all the nice discretionary extras that the rich schools use their PTA money on.

Title 1 money doesn't fund special Ed. You have all your funding sources mixed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the closing of DC general will have a positive effect on Payne even though only a small percentage of the 100s of kids at the shelter actually go to Payne. Payne has already started to turn in the preschool years I expect that will slowly start to trickle into some of the other grades. The neighborhood is really starting to support Payne and a lot of neighbors see its potential. Payne will also be getting a new principal next year and I hope the new principal has an eye for the future and a vision for the next steps for Payne.

Don't worry, that will die on the vine by 5th grade. Not even the Cluster and Brent can guarantee a decent experience beyond 4th grade. Payne won't be the first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On another note about Payne - what if Brent and Maury adopted Payne as a sister school and shared some of their generous fundraising mojo? I admit to being a little sickened by the idea of parents spending $500 each at an auction, while a school 6 blocks away doesn't get anything.

That school gets both at risk funding from DCPS and Title 1 funds. whether that's enough to meet the needs is another question altogether, but the local system and federal government provides additional funding for schools serving more impoverished communities. Except for the NW powerhouse fundraisers like Mann and Janney this exceeds what other schools raise independently.

Well I doubt that Title I money can go for extras like teaching aids and after school enrichment?

where do you think it goes? social workers, aides for special needs populations, but these are the supports needed. The role of aides is very different in schools like Payne and Miner than in schools like Brent.

I don't really believe that Maury and Brent are at a financial disadvantage to Payne and Miner for one second. The extra money goes for additional needs of the kids, like special needs services - I doubt it goes for all the nice discretionary extras that the rich schools use their PTA money on.

This is the reality. Title 1 schools get lots of extra money to provide student services. (Who doesn't love the free aftercare!) Where these schools suffer is in funding for "extra" like enrichment activities and expensive field trips.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40% of kids in DC shelters are under age 2. Like, babies and 1 year olds. Most kids in shelter are not elementary school aged. The new shelters are probably going to have no more than about 100 kids, so about 1 or 2 per grade will likely enroll in the IB elementary school.

I live in an area where a shelter is planned and our school is already about 10% homeless and about 1/4 have IEPs (not necessarily an overlap but in many cases it is). We need more support already, but this will only be a very small increase.

10:21 here.

That is definitely true right now, but given the huge percentage of kids under 2 and the degree to which charters are already saturated, I think this is an opportunity to plan for more children attending their IB schools at PK3. Today's 2-year-olds, depending on when their birthday is, are entering DCPS this year or the next. They will not oversaturate any specific school, but given the magnitude of the crisis, I don't think it's reasonable to plan that family homelessness is going to dramatically decrease in the next 2 years. I think it would be a better idea to plan for the schools who are receiving shelters sending some of their children - younger, older, whatever - to those schools and have systems in place to manage that. I know that at our school, we have already received contact from a shelter that is opening within our boundary about working together to provide the best transition for the kids. There is no reason that that cannot happen in an intentional way.

It's also time for the suburbs to shoulder their share of the burden and build shelters. For decades they've been sucking wealth out of the District at the District's expense. Time to pay the piper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40% of kids in DC shelters are under age 2. Like, babies and 1 year olds. Most kids in shelter are not elementary school aged. The new shelters are probably going to have no more than about 100 kids, so about 1 or 2 per grade will likely enroll in the IB elementary school.

I live in an area where a shelter is planned and our school is already about 10% homeless and about 1/4 have IEPs (not necessarily an overlap but in many cases it is). We need more support already, but this will only be a very small increase.

10:21 here.

That is definitely true right now, but given the huge percentage of kids under 2 and the degree to which charters are already saturated, I think this is an opportunity to plan for more children attending their IB schools at PK3. Today's 2-year-olds, depending on when their birthday is, are entering DCPS this year or the next. They will not oversaturate any specific school, but given the magnitude of the crisis, I don't think it's reasonable to plan that family homelessness is going to dramatically decrease in the next 2 years. I think it would be a better idea to plan for the schools who are receiving shelters sending some of their children - younger, older, whatever - to those schools and have systems in place to manage that. I know that at our school, we have already received contact from a shelter that is opening within our boundary about working together to provide the best transition for the kids. There is no reason that that cannot happen in an intentional way.

It's also time for the suburbs to shoulder their share of the burden and build shelters. For decades they've been sucking wealth out of the District at the District's expense. Time to pay the piper.

I understand what you're saying, but many of these people are long time DC residents. Sending them to Maryland or Virginia means relocating them to a different state, with everything that entails - new identification, new services, etc. The services they get at the shelters run through DC are provided by the government of the District of Columbia. The government of the District of Columbia can't provide services to residents of MD and VA outside of immediate crisis situations.

I think that because this area is so compressed, people often forget that it is actually 3 separate states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On another note about Payne - what if Brent and Maury adopted Payne as a sister school and shared some of their generous fundraising mojo? I admit to being a little sickened by the idea of parents spending $500 each at an auction, while a school 6 blocks away doesn't get anything.

That school gets both at risk funding from DCPS and Title 1 funds. whether that's enough to meet the needs is another question altogether, but the local system and federal government provides additional funding for schools serving more impoverished communities. Except for the NW powerhouse fundraisers like Mann and Janney this exceeds what other schools raise independently.

Well I doubt that Title I money can go for extras like teaching aids and after school enrichment?

where do you think it goes? social workers, aides for special needs populations, but these are the supports needed. The role of aides is very different in schools like Payne and Miner than in schools like Brent.

I don't really believe that Maury and Brent are at a financial disadvantage to Payne and Miner for one second. The extra money goes for additional needs of the kids, like special needs services - I doubt it goes for all the nice discretionary extras that the rich schools use their PTA money on.

This is the reality. Title 1 schools get lots of extra money to provide student services. (Who doesn't love the free aftercare!) Where these schools suffer is in funding for "extra" like enrichment activities and expensive field trips.

Does Title 1 money go to pay for an aid in the upper elementary grade? That seems like the biggie that PTA money covers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On another note about Payne - what if Brent and Maury adopted Payne as a sister school and shared some of their generous fundraising mojo? I admit to being a little sickened by the idea of parents spending $500 each at an auction, while a school 6 blocks away doesn't get anything.

That school gets both at risk funding from DCPS and Title 1 funds. whether that's enough to meet the needs is another question altogether, but the local system and federal government provides additional funding for schools serving more impoverished communities. Except for the NW powerhouse fundraisers like Mann and Janney this exceeds what other schools raise independently.

Well I doubt that Title I money can go for extras like teaching aids and after school enrichment?

where do you think it goes? social workers, aides for special needs populations, but these are the supports needed. The role of aides is very different in schools like Payne and Miner than in schools like Brent.

I don't really believe that Maury and Brent are at a financial disadvantage to Payne and Miner for one second. The extra money goes for additional needs of the kids, like special needs services - I doubt it goes for all the nice discretionary extras that the rich schools use their PTA money on.

Title 1 money doesn't fund special Ed. You have all your funding sources mixed up.

You're right - the point is that people look at school budgets (which include title 1 and special ed) and claim Title 1 schools get more per pupil than JKLMN schools. When really the Title 1 school is getting the money to fund services the JKLM schools don't need, so it's not a relevant comparison

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On another note about Payne - what if Brent and Maury adopted Payne as a sister school and shared some of their generous fundraising mojo? I admit to being a little sickened by the idea of parents spending $500 each at an auction, while a school 6 blocks away doesn't get anything.

That school gets both at risk funding from DCPS and Title 1 funds. whether that's enough to meet the needs is another question altogether, but the local system and federal government provides additional funding for schools serving more impoverished communities. Except for the NW powerhouse fundraisers like Mann and Janney this exceeds what other schools raise independently.

Well I doubt that Title I money can go for extras like teaching aids and after school enrichment?

where do you think it goes? social workers, aides for special needs populations, but these are the supports needed. The role of aides is very different in schools like Payne and Miner than in schools like Brent.

I don't really believe that Maury and Brent are at a financial disadvantage to Payne and Miner for one second. The extra money goes for additional needs of the kids, like special needs services - I doubt it goes for all the nice discretionary extras that the rich schools use their PTA money on.

This is the reality. Title 1 schools get lots of extra money to provide student services. (Who doesn't love the free aftercare!) Where these schools suffer is in funding for "extra" like enrichment activities and expensive field trips.

Does Title 1 money go to pay for an aid in the upper elementary grade? That seems like the biggie that PTA money covers.

Our kids' school is Title 1, and there's money for aides in Kindergarten, but not above.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On another note about Payne - what if Brent and Maury adopted Payne as a sister school and shared some of their generous fundraising mojo? I admit to being a little sickened by the idea of parents spending $500 each at an auction, while a school 6 blocks away doesn't get anything.

That school gets both at risk funding from DCPS and Title 1 funds. whether that's enough to meet the needs is another question altogether, but the local system and federal government provides additional funding for schools serving more impoverished communities. Except for the NW powerhouse fundraisers like Mann and Janney this exceeds what other schools raise independently.

Well I doubt that Title I money can go for extras like teaching aids and after school enrichment?

where do you think it goes? social workers, aides for special needs populations, but these are the supports needed. The role of aides is very different in schools like Payne and Miner than in schools like Brent.

I don't really believe that Maury and Brent are at a financial disadvantage to Payne and Miner for one second. The extra money goes for additional needs of the kids, like special needs services - I doubt it goes for all the nice discretionary extras that the rich schools use their PTA money on.

This is the reality. Title 1 schools get lots of extra money to provide student services. (Who doesn't love the free aftercare!) Where these schools suffer is in funding for "extra" like enrichment activities and expensive field trips.

Does Title 1 money go to pay for an aid in the upper elementary grade? That seems like the biggie that PTA money covers.

Our kids' school is Title 1, and there's money for aides in Kindergarten, but not above.

OTher things TItle 1 funds can be spent on include reading specialists, social workers.

[Anonymous]

I think the optics will help. There's a ton of middle class families itching to send their kids to Payne, and it has a great early childhood education program. I hate to admit that optics matter, but they seem to.