Fact fluency levels for 1st and 2nd grade

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Anonymous wrote:About the best you can do to understand what MCPS does is go through the curriculum summaries by grade found here but be warned it's pretty vague:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/elementary/guides.aspx
Each grade is broken down by marking period and then subject, so scan through the math goals.

Or you can look at the actual standards and second grade includes:

Add and subtract within 20.
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.2.OA.B.2
Fluently add and subtract within 20 using mental strategies.2 By end of Grade 2, know from memory all sums of two one-digit numbers.

Multiplication facts are third grade:

Multiply and divide within 100.
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.3.OA.C.7
Fluently multiply and divide within 100, using strategies such as the relationship between multiplication and division (e.g., knowing that 8 × 5 = 40, one knows 40 ÷ 5 = 8) or properties of operations. By the end of Grade 3, know from memory all products of two one-digit numbers.

From the MCPS brochures fact fluency isn't emphasized but from my recollection multiplication facts were drilled in second grade at least the first year of rollout when my DC was in 2nd.

Thank you!!!!!!!

I am so sick of people spouting off the idea that common core doesn't expect mastery of math facts and fluency/memorization.
Common core expects fluency with addition facts through 10 by the end of first grade and addition/subtraction through 20 by the end of second grade.

But that is so SLOW and is not helping the advance or even the kids at grade level at all. My child is in 1st and learned 2+2, 5+5, etc... in preschool. I think it is ridiculous they are having these tests twice a week in 1st grade. It is 3rd quarter and they are working on sums up to 7 right now. So many of the kids are so bored. It takes them 30 seconds to do a 3 minute test and then they all draw on the back of the paper.

My oldest is now 14 and she learned facts up to 10 in K at the same school. By 1st grade she was moved to 2nd grade math because before common core, they actually tracked for math starting in 1st grade. She is now in Pre-Cal as a freshman. I have no idea how my youngest can even achieve the same thing at this point. We do so much at home but there is zero enrichment in school these days. They teach everyone to the lowest level so they can get better standardized test scores.

That is absolutely correct. The standards are intentionally low so that average/below average students will do OK/pass tests/move forward. Most kids in my DD's class are also terribly bored! It has nothing to do with the bright ones, the normal students are bored, lol! What a disservice to these kids! And to think of all the students around the world who are being properly educated, these american kids are still doing 9+7, etc at THIS point in the second grade! And forget about social studies and science...we all know they get nothing there. sad.

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But that is so SLOW and is not helping the advance or even the kids at grade level at all. My child is in 1st and learned 2+2, 5+5, etc... in preschool. I think it is ridiculous they are having these tests twice a week in 1st grade. It is 3rd quarter and they are working on sums up to 7 right now. So many of the kids are so bored. It takes them 30 seconds to do a 3 minute test and then they all draw on the back of the paper.

My oldest is now 14 and she learned facts up to 10 in K at the same school. By 1st grade she was moved to 2nd grade math because before common core, they actually tracked for math starting in 1st grade. She is now in Pre-Cal as a freshman. I have no idea how my youngest can even achieve the same thing at this point. We do so much at home but there is zero enrichment in school these days. They teach everyone to the lowest level so they can get better standardized test scores.

Here is what they are supposed to be working on, according to the curriculum guide:

Measurement and Data: Direct comparison—ordering objects by length; length—nonstandard units.

Number and Operations in Base Ten: Addition—1-digit to 2-digit numbers (concrete models and drawings); addition— 2-digit numbers to 2-digit multiples of 10 (concrete models and drawings); subtraction—2-digit multiples of 10 (concrete models and drawings).

Operations and Algebraic Thinking: Relationships and properties of addition and subtraction; fact families (sums through 10); finding the unknown in an equation.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/elementary/parent-guide-curriculum2.0-grade1-en.pdf

Is your child's class working on these things? If not, you should talk to the principal and the teacher.

Or are you complaining about the boredom of completing a 3 minute math test in 30 seconds and then having to wait a whole two and a half minutes until the test is over? Or that your child is doomed to failure in math because the math facts test in first grade only includes addition facts to 7? If your child completes high school in on-grade level math, she will have completed Calculus A/B as a senior. Do you consider that "teaching to the lowest level"?

My daughter will be taking Calc A/B Honors as a sophomore so yes, Calc A/B as a senior is mediocre. That is what grade level is in MCPS.


Please stop copying and pasting things and acting like you know what is going on in every classroom. I am talking about advanced kids and how bored they are in elementary school math and they are not being given anything to keep their curiosity going. It wouldn't take much to give some extra advanced problems on the back to work on IF you get done the basic math problems. But no one cares about that. They teach for the standardized test. And the new concept of math groups instead of separate math classes is a total failure. Kids are only taught math for 7-10minutes a day as they rotate thru groups. Same as reading. Kids spend more time goofing off at centers than learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:About the best you can do to understand what MCPS does is go through the curriculum summaries by grade found here but be warned it's pretty vague:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/elementary/guides.aspx
Each grade is broken down by marking period and then subject, so scan through the math goals.

Or you can look at the actual standards and second grade includes:

Add and subtract within 20.
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.2.OA.B.2
Fluently add and subtract within 20 using mental strategies.2 By end of Grade 2, know from memory all sums of two one-digit numbers.

Multiplication facts are third grade:

Multiply and divide within 100.
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.3.OA.C.7
Fluently multiply and divide within 100, using strategies such as the relationship between multiplication and division (e.g., knowing that 8 × 5 = 40, one knows 40 ÷ 5 = 8) or properties of operations. By the end of Grade 3, know from memory all products of two one-digit numbers.

From the MCPS brochures fact fluency isn't emphasized but from my recollection multiplication facts were drilled in second grade at least the first year of rollout when my DC was in 2nd.

Thank you!!!!!!!

I am so sick of people spouting off the idea that common core doesn't expect mastery of math facts and fluency/memorization.
Common core expects fluency with addition facts through 10 by the end of first grade and addition/subtraction through 20 by the end of second grade.

Way to challenge our second graders!

Don't forget that kids don't even learn about money until 2nd grade. Nothing until 2nd grade! So if your 4-7yr old wants to buy something with their own money, you better wait until the curriculum starts in 2nd grade so they know what a dime, quarter, and dollar mean. LOL

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Anonymous wrote:

My daughter will be taking Calc A/B Honors as a sophomore so yes, Calc A/B as a senior is mediocre. That is what grade level is in MCPS.

Please stop copying and pasting things and acting like you know what is going on in every classroom. I am talking about advanced kids and how bored they are in elementary school math and they are not being given anything to keep their curiosity going. It wouldn't take much to give some extra advanced problems on the back to work on IF you get done the basic math problems. But no one cares about that. They teach for the standardized test. And the new concept of math groups instead of separate math classes is a total failure. Kids are only taught math for 7-10minutes a day as they rotate thru groups. Same as reading. Kids spend more time goofing off at centers than learning.

Calc A/B as a grade-level senior is mediocre? How much calculus do you think that students should get in high school? When I was in high school, Calc A/B as a senior was the honors/advanced track.

If your daughter's math class is not doing what's in the curriculum guide, that's at least potentially a problem, and you should talk to the teacher and perhaps also the principal about it.

Within-class math groups is not a new concept.

Have you talked to your daughter's teacher about giving a few extra advanced problems to work on in the extra time? My child's first-grade teacher did that, and yes, it was Curriculum 2.0.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:About the best you can do to understand what MCPS does is go through the curriculum summaries by grade found here but be warned it's pretty vague:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/elementary/guides.aspx
Each grade is broken down by marking period and then subject, so scan through the math goals.

Or you can look at the actual standards and second grade includes:

Add and subtract within 20.
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.2.OA.B.2
Fluently add and subtract within 20 using mental strategies.2 By end of Grade 2, know from memory all sums of two one-digit numbers.

Multiplication facts are third grade:

Multiply and divide within 100.
CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.3.OA.C.7
Fluently multiply and divide within 100, using strategies such as the relationship between multiplication and division (e.g., knowing that 8 × 5 = 40, one knows 40 ÷ 5 = 8) or properties of operations. By the end of Grade 3, know from memory all products of two one-digit numbers.

From the MCPS brochures fact fluency isn't emphasized but from my recollection multiplication facts were drilled in second grade at least the first year of rollout when my DC was in 2nd.

Thank you!!!!!!!

I am so sick of people spouting off the idea that common core doesn't expect mastery of math facts and fluency/memorization.
Common core expects fluency with addition facts through 10 by the end of first grade and addition/subtraction through 20 by the end of second grade.

Way to challenge our second graders!

Don't forget that kids don't even learn about money until 2nd grade. Nothing until 2nd grade! So if your 4-7yr old wants to buy something with their own money, you better wait until the curriculum starts in 2nd grade so they know what a dime, quarter, and dollar mean. LOL

Ridiculous!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Don't forget that kids don't even learn about money until 2nd grade. Nothing until 2nd grade! So if your 4-7yr old wants to buy something with their own money, you better wait until the curriculum starts in 2nd grade so they know what a dime, quarter, and dollar mean. LOL

Money comes after hundreds place value and addition and subtraction within 100. I think this makes a lot of sense, if your goal is for the child to understand the math the child is doing. Otherwise they're just memorizing that dime = 10 cents, quarter = 25 cents, and dollar = 100 cents.

Now I actually doubt that there are many 4-7-year-olds buying things with coins these days, but if you happen to have a 4-7-year-old who does, then it is certainly your prerogative to explain about money to your child before the second quarter of second grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Don't forget that kids don't even learn about money until 2nd grade. Nothing until 2nd grade! So if your 4-7yr old wants to buy something with their own money, you better wait until the curriculum starts in 2nd grade so they know what a dime, quarter, and dollar mean. LOL

Money comes after hundreds place value and addition and subtraction within 100. I think this makes a lot of sense, if your goal is for the child to understand the math the child is doing. Otherwise they're just memorizing that dime = 10 cents, quarter = 25 cents, and dollar = 100 cents.

Now I actually doubt that there are many 4-7-year-olds buying things with coins these days, but if you happen to have a 4-7-year-old who does, then it is certainly your prerogative to explain about money to your child before the second quarter of second grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My daughter will be taking Calc A/B Honors as a sophomore so yes, Calc A/B as a senior is mediocre. That is what grade level is in MCPS.

Please stop copying and pasting things and acting like you know what is going on in every classroom. I am talking about advanced kids and how bored they are in elementary school math and they are not being given anything to keep their curiosity going. It wouldn't take much to give some extra advanced problems on the back to work on IF you get done the basic math problems. But no one cares about that. They teach for the standardized test. And the new concept of math groups instead of separate math classes is a total failure. Kids are only taught math for 7-10minutes a day as they rotate thru groups. Same as reading. Kids spend more time goofing off at centers than learning.

Calc A/B as a grade-level senior is mediocre? How much calculus do you think that students should get in high school? When I was in high school, Calc A/B as a senior was the honors/advanced track.

If your daughter's math class is not doing what's in the curriculum guide, that's at least potentially a problem, and you should talk to the teacher and perhaps also the principal about it.

Within-class math groups is not a new concept.

Have you talked to your daughter's teacher about giving a few extra advanced problems to work on in the extra time? My child's first-grade teacher did that, and yes, it was Curriculum 2.0.

For MCPS, yes math groups and centers is a new thing. That started with 2.0
Prior to that the kids tested into math classes starting at the end of K. Moved up and down quarterly or yearly as needed. Kids could have a reading teacher in AM and a different math teacher in PM

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Anonymous wrote:
For MCPS, yes math groups and centers is a new thing. That started with 2.0
Prior to that the kids tested into math classes starting at the end of K. Moved up and down quarterly or yearly as needed. Kids could have a reading teacher in AM and a different math teacher in PM

I bet it isn't a new thing for MCPS either. These things go in and out of fashion. If this were the first time ever that MCPS had within-class math groups, I'd be very surprised.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
For MCPS, yes math groups and centers is a new thing. That started with 2.0
Prior to that the kids tested into math classes starting at the end of K. Moved up and down quarterly or yearly as needed. Kids could have a reading teacher in AM and a different math teacher in PM

I bet it isn't a new thing for MCPS either. These things go in and out of fashion. If this were the first time ever that MCPS had within-class math groups, I'd be very surprised.

^^^especially given that MCPS had within-class reading groups before 2.0.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Don't forget that kids don't even learn about money until 2nd grade. Nothing until 2nd grade! So if your 4-7yr old wants to buy something with their own money, you better wait until the curriculum starts in 2nd grade so they know what a dime, quarter, and dollar mean. LOL

Ridiculous!

What's ridiculous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Don't forget that kids don't even learn about money until 2nd grade. Nothing until 2nd grade! So if your 4-7yr old wants to buy something with their own money, you better wait until the curriculum starts in 2nd grade so they know what a dime, quarter, and dollar mean. LOL

Ridiculous!

What's ridiculous?

That children are not taught to use/count coins until second grade!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Don't forget that kids don't even learn about money until 2nd grade. Nothing until 2nd grade! So if your 4-7yr old wants to buy something with their own money, you better wait until the curriculum starts in 2nd grade so they know what a dime, quarter, and dollar mean. LOL

Ridiculous!

What's ridiculous?

That children are not taught to use/count coins until second grade!

Why is that ridiculous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Here is what they are supposed to be working on, according to the curriculum guide:

Measurement and Data: Direct comparison—ordering objects by length; length—nonstandard units.

Number and Operations in Base Ten: Addition—1-digit to 2-digit numbers (concrete models and drawings); addition— 2-digit numbers to 2-digit multiples of 10 (concrete models and drawings); subtraction—2-digit multiples of 10 (concrete models and drawings).

Operations and Algebraic Thinking: Relationships and properties of addition and subtraction; fact families (sums through 10); finding the unknown in an equation.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/elementary/parent-guide-curriculum2.0-grade1-en.pdf

Is your child's class working on these things? If not, you should talk to the principal and the teacher.

Or are you complaining about the boredom of completing a 3 minute math test in 30 seconds and then having to wait a whole two and a half minutes until the test is over? Or that your child is doomed to failure in math because the math facts test in first grade only includes addition facts to 7? If your child completes high school in on-grade level math, she will have completed Calculus A/B as a senior. Do you consider that "teaching to the lowest level"?

My DC was very bored in second grade math because all they did was two digit addition with concrete models. This stuff is tedious, a couple story problems to a page and no algorithms. There is absolutely nothing wrong with introducing the standard algorithm to a child who has already spent some time modeling yet that was strictly forbidden in second grade. Time exploring the algorithm has value and can be much more open ended and engaging than drawing pictures of rocks.

The goal of 2.0 is Calculus A/B for all by senior year but that is IF this experiment works out. These kids who are spinning their wheels year after year and hating math may never get there, no matter how carefully the standards have it all mapped out.