What was up with the Rubio/Cruz Spanish fight last night?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The WaPo piece was not well written and one key sentence was mangled- it implied that what Cruz said in Spanish reflected someone who was not fluent. Any Spanish speakers out there who can confirm?

The gist is that Cruz has said he doesn't speak Spanish. Rubio made a low blow to deflect attention from his support of immigration reform back in 2009.

Not fluent. Doesn't matter. Cruz is a prick. Rubio is a twerp. If this soundbite gets traction among the Hispanic electorate, it's only because it symbolizes what they already know: Cruz does not (but neither does Rubio) represent them or their interests. A non-Spanish speaking presidential candidate can and likely will get the very large majority Hispanic vote in the general election, and won't be a GOP candidate.

It's as important as "being a woman" is for female voters, who did not support Palin, Fiorina, or Bachman and looks like might not be overwhelmingly supporting Clinton, either. It's the kind of thing that piques your interest at first, but what really matters is what you stand for.

[Anonymous]

I don't speak Spanish but it sounded fluent to me. Cruz had the last word, he won on that exchange.

[Anonymous]

Essentially, there is history that Rubio (and other GOP'ers) say one thing in english language news but on univision (and other spanish media) say something completely different.

Cruz was hammering Rubio on his two-timing, and Rubio came back with a weak retort (because you don't need to know spanish personally given that you have staffers to ranslate for you). But Cruz then hit him by being pretty fluent in spanish.

Rubio is a clown. I can't believe how anyone supports him. I hate Cruz' politics but it is easy to see who is the intellectual superior. HLS > TTTlaw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't understand what Cruz said. Is he as smarmy and mawkish in Spanish as in English?

Why the F should he have to learn to speak Spanish? Illegals should be learning to speak English.

He's an American of Cuban ancestry. He doesn't have to speak Spanish. I am a Russian/German Jew and do not speak fluent Hebrew. Or Spanish. I do speak fluent English. And if Spanish folk here don't understand me? Tough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The WaPo piece was not well written and one key sentence was mangled- it implied that what Cruz said in Spanish reflected someone who was not fluent. Any Spanish speakers out there who can confirm?

The gist is that Cruz has said he doesn't speak Spanish. Rubio made a low blow to deflect attention from his support of immigration reform back in 2009.

Not fluent. Doesn't matter. Cruz is a prick. Rubio is a twerp. If this soundbite gets traction among the Hispanic electorate, it's only because it symbolizes what they already know: Cruz does not (but neither does Rubio) represent them or their interests. A non-Spanish speaking presidential candidate can and likely will get the very large majority Hispanic vote in the general election, and won't be a GOP candidate.

Should I vote for Bernie because he's Jewish and so am I? Is this why democrats let illegals into the country in droves?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really like John Dickerson but it wasn't a great night for him.

It takes a very strong hand to moderate these jackasses. I would like to see the Meghan Kelly up there again--I am not a fan of her political point of view, but she's strong and sufficiently ass-holish enough herself to push back against the most blatantly stupid nonsense. Which, of course, is why Trump abhors her. My fantasy would be to get Jon Stuart, John Oliver, Steven Colbert tag-team moderating these twerps. But, of course, nothing of the sort would ever happen: This is the GOPs chance to highlight their "amazing" candidates, so getting a sort-of-neutral to obviously partisan group of moderators is their intent.

At some point they have to let them be who they are, so the public can judge for themselves. If they want to cat fight, let them. The public has a right to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The WaPo piece was not well written and one key sentence was mangled- it implied that what Cruz said in Spanish reflected someone who was not fluent. Any Spanish speakers out there who can confirm?

The gist is that Cruz has said he doesn't speak Spanish. Rubio made a low blow to deflect attention from his support of immigration reform back in 2009.

Not fluent. Doesn't matter. Cruz is a prick. Rubio is a twerp. If this soundbite gets traction among the Hispanic electorate, it's only because it symbolizes what they already know: Cruz does not (but neither does Rubio) represent them or their interests. A non-Spanish speaking presidential candidate can and likely will get the very large majority Hispanic vote in the general election, and won't be a GOP candidate.

Should I vote for Bernie because he's Jewish and so am I? Is this why democrats let illegals into the country in droves?

I'm the PP you're quoting. No, you should not vote for anyone because he/she has something in common with you, whether that's religion, nation of origin, sex, age, hairstyle, or whatever. I have no idea why you interpreted what I was saying as evidence of that. In fact, I intimated the opposite. So... please, do go vote for the person that you think will be best for America. (I have a feeling you and I disagree on who that is.)

I'm voting for someone who is not in my age demographic, is not my sex, does not have my religious background, does not live where I live, does not speak all the languages I speak. But we share an understanding of what needs to be fixed and a vision of what a successful America should look like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The WaPo piece was not well written and one key sentence was mangled- it implied that what Cruz said in Spanish reflected someone who was not fluent. Any Spanish speakers out there who can confirm?

The gist is that Cruz has said he doesn't speak Spanish. Rubio made a low blow to deflect attention from his support of immigration reform back in 2009.

Not fluent. Doesn't matter. Cruz is a prick. Rubio is a twerp. If this soundbite gets traction among the Hispanic electorate, it's only because it symbolizes what they already know: Cruz does not (but neither does Rubio) represent them or their interests. A non-Spanish speaking presidential candidate can and likely will get the very large majority Hispanic vote in the general election, and won't be a GOP candidate.

Should I vote for Bernie because he's Jewish and so am I? Is this why democrats let illegals into the country in droves?

I'm the PP you're quoting. No, you should not vote for anyone because he/she has something in common with you, whether that's religion, nation of origin, sex, age, hairstyle, or whatever. I have no idea why you interpreted what I was saying as evidence of that. In fact, I intimated the opposite. So... please, do go vote for the person that you think will be best for America. (I have a feeling you and I disagree on who that is.)

I'm voting for someone who is not in my age demographic, is not my sex, does not have my religious background, does not live where I live, does not speak all the languages I speak. But we share an understanding of what needs to be fixed and a vision of what a successful America should look like.

So what you are saying is that they would rather vote for people who will excuse their illegal status and give them free stuff for being illegal. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The WaPo piece was not well written and one key sentence was mangled- it implied that what Cruz said in Spanish reflected someone who was not fluent. Any Spanish speakers out there who can confirm?

The gist is that Cruz has said he doesn't speak Spanish. Rubio made a low blow to deflect attention from his support of immigration reform back in 2009.

Not fluent. Doesn't matter. Cruz is a prick. Rubio is a twerp. If this soundbite gets traction among the Hispanic electorate, it's only because it symbolizes what they already know: Cruz does not (but neither does Rubio) represent them or their interests. A non-Spanish speaking presidential candidate can and likely will get the very large majority Hispanic vote in the general election, and won't be a GOP candidate.

Should I vote for Bernie because he's Jewish and so am I? Is this why democrats let illegals into the country in droves?

I'm the PP you're quoting. No, you should not vote for anyone because he/she has something in common with you, whether that's religion, nation of origin, sex, age, hairstyle, or whatever. I have no idea why you interpreted what I was saying as evidence of that. In fact, I intimated the opposite. So... please, do go vote for the person that you think will be best for America. (I have a feeling you and I disagree on who that is.)

I'm voting for someone who is not in my age demographic, is not my sex, does not have my religious background, does not live where I live, does not speak all the languages I speak. But we share an understanding of what needs to be fixed and a vision of what a successful America should look like.

So what you are saying is that they would rather vote for people who will excuse their illegal status and give them free stuff for being illegal. Got it.

Illegals don't vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The WaPo piece was not well written and one key sentence was mangled- it implied that what Cruz said in Spanish reflected someone who was not fluent. Any Spanish speakers out there who can confirm?

The gist is that Cruz has said he doesn't speak Spanish. Rubio made a low blow to deflect attention from his support of immigration reform back in 2009.

Not fluent. Doesn't matter. Cruz is a prick. Rubio is a twerp. If this soundbite gets traction among the Hispanic electorate, it's only because it symbolizes what they already know: Cruz does not (but neither does Rubio) represent them or their interests. A non-Spanish speaking presidential candidate can and likely will get the very large majority Hispanic vote in the general election, and won't be a GOP candidate.

Should I vote for Bernie because he's Jewish and so am I? Is this why democrats let illegals into the country in droves?

I'm the PP you're quoting. No, you should not vote for anyone because he/she has something in common with you, whether that's religion, nation of origin, sex, age, hairstyle, or whatever. I have no idea why you interpreted what I was saying as evidence of that. In fact, I intimated the opposite. So... please, do go vote for the person that you think will be best for America. (I have a feeling you and I disagree on who that is.)

I'm voting for someone who is not in my age demographic, is not my sex, does not have my religious background, does not live where I live, does not speak all the languages I speak. But we share an understanding of what needs to be fixed and a vision of what a successful America should look like.

So what you are saying is that they would rather vote for people who will excuse their illegal status and give them free stuff for being illegal. Got it.

(1) Illegal aliens do not have the right to vote. So if that's what you're saying...

(2) As you know, legal citizens have many different opinions about how to address the challenges facing and posed by illegal immigrants. People who have a personal and deep knowledge of what it is like to be an illegal immigrant are likely to have very strong opinions on this matter. This, of course, should not surprise you.

(3) Even people who do not have personal and deep knowledge of illegal immigration are likely to have or develop strong feelings, in part, based on appeals to emotion and/or data. logic, ideology.

So one person's "free stuff" is another person's "reasonable investment or response to reality." You are free to present the argument that leads you to your own policy conclusions. You might want to start another thread on that, though, so it doesn't get lost in the main idea of this thread: "What was up with the Rubio/Cruz Spanish fight last night?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't speak Spanish but it sounded fluent to me. Cruz had the last word, he won on that exchange.

Publix Service Announcement, for whatever it's worth:

To anyone who speaks Spanish, Cruz' retort sounded pretty bad, both in terms of pronunciation and grammar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The WaPo piece was not well written and one key sentence was mangled- it implied that what Cruz said in Spanish reflected someone who was not fluent. Any Spanish speakers out there who can confirm?

The gist is that Cruz has said he doesn't speak Spanish. Rubio made a low blow to deflect attention from his support of immigration reform back in 2009.

Not fluent. Doesn't matter. Cruz is a prick. Rubio is a twerp. If this soundbite gets traction among the Hispanic electorate, it's only because it symbolizes what they already know: Cruz does not (but neither does Rubio) represent them or their interests. A non-Spanish speaking presidential candidate can and likely will get the very large majority Hispanic vote in the general election, and won't be a GOP candidate.

Should I vote for Bernie because he's Jewish and so am I? Is this why democrats let illegals into the country in droves?

don't worry - most jews are on team clinton. Bernie will tax the jews too much and not support israel enough.

[Anonymous]

I don't speak Spanish but it sounded fluent to me. Cruz had the last word, he won on that exchange.

Publix Service Announcement, for whatever it's worth:

To anyone who speaks Spanish, Cruz' retort sounded pretty bad, both in terms of pronunciation and grammar.

+1 He sounds like someone who took two community college classes at the age of 30, accent and grammar were terrible.

[Anonymous]

Hey, even Israeli Jews don't march single-mindedly to the Israeli polls. There's plenty of disagreement and spirited debate.

As for taxes, here's where Israel stands today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Israel

And as for democratic socialist services, here's info on their health care system:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Israel


As for Bernie's support of Israel, you can read this with whatever perspective you bring to it--click on embedded links for more info. I don't think there's good argument to be made that Sanders doesn't support Israel.

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/sanders-leftwing-economic/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey, even Israeli Jews don't march single-mindedly to the Israeli polls. There's plenty of disagreement and spirited debate.

[b]As for taxes, here's where Israel stands today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Israel

And as for democratic socialist services, here's info on their health care system:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Israel
[/b]

As for Bernie's support of Israel, you can read this with whatever perspective you bring to it--click on embedded links for more info. I don't think there's good argument to be made that Sanders doesn't support Israel.

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/sanders-leftwing-economic/

1. Jews in israel are willing to be more socialist than Jewry in the US because jews in israel as a whole know their redistribution goes to other Jews mostly and not to goyim like it would in the US.

2. Bernie is much less beholden to likud loons and is much less 'israel-first' compared to HRC and 'estabilshment' pols.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-israel-218149