True Detective Finale
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Anonymous
I had always assumed that the hard drive contained footage of these sex parties where prominent city leaders and officials had attended and done salacious deeds. Wasn't that sort of implied earlier in the season? I LOVED the subtlety of Ani saying "his sons deserve that" and me thinking "Wait? Did she say 'sons'?" and then realizing that Ani, with all of her f-ed up stuff, had Ray's baby. Ray, who thought he was incapable of producing a child, who thought the reason why his first wife didn't get pregnant was because of his low motility. It was like the best of both Ani and Ray came out in that scene where they had sex and then proceeded to lay it all out there to each other. Given the fact that season 1 had no major female leads, I liked that Pizzolatto (the creator) allowed both Jordan and Ani to live at the end - and not just live, but to seek out justice against those who wronged them. I was so afraid that Jordan was going to be in cahoots with shady sex ring guys. The guy Ani meets with at the hotel - I had assumed this was the reporter from the first or second episode - the one who was severely beaten. I don't think he was from Venezuela, but rather went there to meet with her. Had they ended with a flash forward to Chad graduating from the police force, they would've lost me. It would've tied things up too neatly. Plus, Chad never struck me as that kind of kid. He hated violence - that's what Ray was talking about in the last voice recording he tried to leave for him. He said he thought more people should be like Chad - someone who is strong enough not to resort to violence. I agree that this season, in many ways, wasn't as good as season 1, but they really had me in episodes 6-8. I also think that Pizzolatto was really playing the whole "greek tragedy" angle. So many of our heroes died tragically. Many suffered from hubris. Many realized their flaw when it was too late. (Ani's full name is Antigone - named after a main character/play written by Sophocles) |
Anonymous
| Great points 9:07. The writing did lead to so much stilted dialogue particularly with Velcoro and Frank. I agree that the relationship between the two would have made a better story. There were too many characters thrown in too quickly. |
Anonymous
I thought it wax VV's baby bc they had sex even if they were struggling with infertility, but the baby was 6 mo old so 9 mo of preg +6 mo old baby= 15 mo of being in Venezulea? And I say venezulea bc the flags seen in the street party were venezulean. Not mexico. Who killed pitler? |
Anonymous
| They said it looked like a suicide, but I don't buy it. I think it was the mayor's shady son. |
Anonymous
Also agree. Plus, there was so much mumbling in the dialog with names I couldn't hear or put a face to them (who is gwen or holloway?) and then all the "intetesting" parts of the plot (when the detectives started connecting dots) were so rushed I couldn't put it together well (as already mentioned: too many plots and characters, too much time on back stories). |
Anonymous
I thought it was a homocide. The files were missing. |
Anonymous
| How did the Mexicans find him? Three car loads of guys just show up behind him in La? |
Anonymous
Do you think they Mexicans were working with any of the guys Frank got money/jewels from before leaving? That town is so dirty, anyone who knew he was leaving could've tipped them off. But I was wondering the same thing....because you knew they got away with that money with entirely too much time left in the episode for everything to be okay. |
Anonymous
His son, the new mayor. |
Anonymous
I think the guys he got the passports from turned on him. Otherwise, how would the Mexicans know Frank's car? Were they the Italian mob? There were so many mobs/gangs in this story. The Russian Israeli mob. The Mexican mob. Franks' gang. The Hasidic Jewish mob. The Italian mob. Did I miss any? |
Anonymous
That was my thought too. Plus, why didn't Valcoro's switch cars, or even steal one, knowing his car had a transponder? |
Anonymous
Yes, I had to keep switching channels because my heart was pounding, especially when Velcoro was on the run. You're right, it was Venezuela, but I think they were still on the run. |
Anonymous
He stood in the street a long time trying to figure out which car was the tail car, and couldn't. I figured he just gave up and thought that it would not make a difference to steal another car and try to allude them again, Velcoro was not a bad guy, but he was t too bright either. |
Anonymous
1) The hard drive was the hard drive from the video camera in Caspar's house (the one where Ray Velcoro gets shot). The implication throughout the season was that there was footage on the hard drive of various bigwigs/politicians/etc. in the orgy parties. 2) It wasn't the movie director who killed Caspar - it was a set photographer named Len who Velcoro and Ani talked to very briefly - I think he was the one who told them that the movie director sometimes went to "parties" with Caspar (maybe to throw them off his own trail?). Len was the son of the jewelry store owners who got killed when the corrupt police officers stole the blue diamonds. 3) The reporter Ani meets at the end is an LA reporter who was doing a story on how corrupt the city of Vinci is. He's the reporter Velcoro beats up in the first or second episode to try and get him to stop investigating the story. 4)The baby was Ani and Velcoro's baby. There's a scene when Ani is in the safe house getting ready to leave for the boat and she throws a box on her suitcase - hey, call me an expert on pregnancy tests (!) but I immediately thought that was a pregnancy test box. I don't know how she could think she was pregnant after having sex with Velcoro only a day or two before that, but then when they're in Venezuela or Mexico or wherever, she says to the reporter, "I want to honor his sonS." No idea where they were going, though I was happy that Ani and Jordan survived (and Jordan gets to help raise the baby) -- and Nails too. Oh Nails, what would we do without you. It's just like Stan, the mysterious guy who never seemed to appear in the show but everyone talked about his death for like, 5 episodes. I thought the season overall was weak but the last 2 or 3 episodes were better. The beginning was really slow. Some of the dialogue was flat-out terrible. I think Vince Vaughan did a perfectly decent job given how bad the writing was, but his best moments were when he was allowed to show that he had a sense of humor (my favorite moment of the finale episode was when he tells Velcoro that "Blake is gone. He did not go...nicely" - he has the most hilarious expression on his face and he said it in such a witty yet dark way. I think if Vince Vaughan had played the character less "straight" and been allowed to show a little more of his madcap side, it would have been a stronger show - kind of the role that Woody Harrelson served in Season 1 (he was so funny, even though it was such a dark season). I thought Colin Farrell did a fine job and also got some of the better lines ("I support feminism. Mostly by having body image issues."). Disappointing compared to Season 1, disappointing in comparison to "Chinatown" (which I have to imagine is the movie this was supposed to be an homage to), but generally I thought Season 2 was meh. My questions are: Why would VV be so slow to react when he realized his car was boxed in? Don't you think he would be smarter/quicker on the draw? Why wouldn't Velcoro instantly understand that he couldn't go see his son because, as a wanted criminal whose face was being plastered on TV screens everywhere, the police would DEFINITELY be staking out his son's school?! What was the deal with Ani's father's cult? I really thought there was going to be on that cult and it just didn't seem to go anywhere. I assume Velcoro did "suicide by cop"?- deliberately came out guns ablazing because he did not want Burris and the other corrupt cops to torture him to find out where Ani went. If the daughter of the jewelry store owners became a hooker and then ended up at Caspar's sex parties, and then (as it turns out), then Caspar was her father, then does that mean she had sex with Caspar (her own father)? Yuck. |
Anonymous
I thought those guys who gave him the passport were Polish. There's a scene in one of the earlier episodes where they're sitting in the guys' bakery and the case has all these cakes with a layer of jello on top - I've only ever seen that at Polish places. |