Can this marriage be saved?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:DH and I differ on a lot of issues. I am a private, type A, logical, and I initiate solutions. DH confides a lot in his parents and social circle, is type B, emotional, and tends to wait for me to come up with plans to solve our problems.

From matters as simple as cleaning up the house to creating a budget to planning our move, DH will not take the first step until I sit him down and say "you know we have xyz coming up and here is how we are going to go about it." What once seemed like a pleasant demeanor has started to look a lot more like laziness and lack of initiative over the years because now that we have children and busy careers, having to singlehandedly shoulder responsibility for tackling every task and issue in our lives adds a lot of work to my plate. DH's response when I bring this up is to say some version of "Just tell me what to do and I will do it. I'm here to help." Waiting to be told what to do is, of course, is the whole problem. I want an equal partner who takes ownership, not a subordinate who takes orders.

DH tends to personalize things, whereas I can be coldly rational. If I initiate a discussion about how to get something done, my tone has to be warm and nonthreatening, or he will get caught up in how I am being "mean" and then the whole conversation devolves. I once saw this as adorable and sweet, but now I see it as often childish. I am the type who focuses on the point of the message. This can make me blunt and cold in my delivery. DH's hurt feelings are often valid.

I do not trust DH's family. My intuition is very strong and I am very observant. Years ago, I believed his mother did not like me and I noticed his extended family accidentally dropping small details about my personal life into their convos with me in a way that suggested to me that someone was blabbing my business. Well, I told DH it was his mother and, in a series of arguments, he said some very cruel things to me in defense of her. Turned out I was right. That created a real wound between DH and I that has yet to heal because his mother disclosed details of very painful things in my own family and also badmouthed me. I have also continued to play nice with his mother, but have yet to forgive her because she just cried and played the victim when confronted. She also continues to gossip about everyone while claiming she no longer gossips about me. I don't believe her. This is a problem in itself, but it is an even bigger problem because his mother is DH's closest confidant. Every time I tell him not to tell her something about me, it results in a fight. I have started withholding info from DH and DH knows this and is hurt. But I cannot trust him if he is going to go blab to his untrustworthy mother.

In short, DH and I are just so different that in small and big things, we get on each other's nerves. We fight every day. Sometimes multiple times a day. If not for our children, I would probably throw in the towel. But I grew up as a child of divorce, with parents who couldn't get along even for the sake of their children. Everything in me wants to hang on for dear life and make this work somehow. We also have something else going for us: Despite all of this, we really do love each other. But we just can't get along and our personalities are diametric opposites.


Ha! I'm going to call:

- unreliable narrator
- not "type A" but weak ego and overcompensating, bordering on abusive
- DH is walking on eggshells and emotionally exhausted
- His family sees all this quite clearly and doesn't like what you are doing to him and the kids; you are probably right to infer they don't like you - you don't sound very likable.

HTH, HAND
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Aren't you happy he works so much? Find a way to contract out as much of your family life as possible. Develop your own close relationships outside of marriage.


Sadly, this is where I'm at now. If I can't fix us, I'm going to try to make myself happy and see what happens next.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Not so much advice, but I just wanted to say that I can commiserate. Not so much about the mother thing but the other dynamic you describe is me and my husband exactly. I too am tired of taking the reins, solving the problems, doing the organizing, doing the research, doing everything. We just got back from a trip for Spring Break. When he initially suggested the trip to visit a sibling in another state in a cool city, I said, "OK, you do the planning and just let us know when we're leaving." I really wanted this one vaca to be on him, but he didn't lift a finger. I genuinely feel like I have three children instead of two. And like you, OP, I love him, but I really feel like a single parent. And he throws up roadblocks and criticizes all suggestions and decisions without doing any of the work to the point where I don't really tell him much of anything. I find myself doing my own thing more and more and I know that in the longterm this is bad for my marriage, but I just so tired of dealing with his reactions. I can tell him 8 times that we need to leave at "x time" for an event, and five minutes before we are to leave he's still sitting with his computer on the coach, unshowered. So, I've started doing they whole, "you don't have to go...I'll just take the kids by myself." Sorry to hijack. Just saying that I get it.


NP here. I could have written this. I get it too. Great threat btw.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DH and I differ on a lot of issues. I am a private, type A, logical, and I initiate solutions. DH confides a lot in his parents and social circle, is type B, emotional, and tends to wait for me to come up with plans to solve our problems.

From matters as simple as cleaning up the house to creating a budget to planning our move, DH will not take the first step until I sit him down and say "you know we have xyz coming up and here is how we are going to go about it." What once seemed like a pleasant demeanor has started to look a lot more like laziness and lack of initiative over the years because now that we have children and busy careers, having to singlehandedly shoulder responsibility for tackling every task and issue in our lives adds a lot of work to my plate. DH's response when I bring this up is to say some version of "Just tell me what to do and I will do it. I'm here to help." Waiting to be told what to do is, of course, is the whole problem. I want an equal partner who takes ownership, not a subordinate who takes orders.

DH tends to personalize things, whereas I can be coldly rational. If I initiate a discussion about how to get something done, my tone has to be warm and nonthreatening, or he will get caught up in how I am being "mean" and then the whole conversation devolves. I once saw this as adorable and sweet, but now I see it as often childish. I am the type who focuses on the point of the message. This can make me blunt and cold in my delivery. DH's hurt feelings are often valid.

I do not trust DH's family. My intuition is very strong and I am very observant. Years ago, I believed his mother did not like me and I noticed his extended family accidentally dropping small details about my personal life into their convos with me in a way that suggested to me that someone was blabbing my business. Well, I told DH it was his mother and, in a series of arguments, he said some very cruel things to me in defense of her. Turned out I was right. That created a real wound between DH and I that has yet to heal because his mother disclosed details of very painful things in my own family and also badmouthed me. I have also continued to play nice with his mother, but have yet to forgive her because she just cried and played the victim when confronted. She also continues to gossip about everyone while claiming she no longer gossips about me. I don't believe her. This is a problem in itself, but it is an even bigger problem because his mother is DH's closest confidant. Every time I tell him not to tell her something about me, it results in a fight. I have started withholding info from DH and DH knows this and is hurt. But I cannot trust him if he is going to go blab to his untrustworthy mother.

In short, DH and I are just so different that in small and big things, we get on each other's nerves. We fight every day. Sometimes multiple times a day. If not for our children, I would probably throw in the towel. But I grew up as a child of divorce, with parents who couldn't get along even for the sake of their children. Everything in me wants to hang on for dear life and make this work somehow. We also have something else going for us: Despite all of this, we really do love each other. But we just can't get along and our personalities are diametric opposites.


Ha! I'm going to call:

- unreliable narrator
- not "type A" but weak ego and overcompensating, bordering on abusive
- DH is walking on eggshells and emotionally exhausted
- His family sees all this quite clearly and doesn't like what you are doing to him and the kids; you are probably right to infer they don't like you - you don't sound very likable.

HTH, HAND


So, at what point did your spouse divorce you because he was tired of you and your emotionally incestuous relatives?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Aren't you happy he works so much? Find a way to contract out as much of your family life as possible. Develop your own close relationships outside of marriage.


Huh? How will having no family life possibly lead a couple to happiness?


It will lead her to individual happiness. I know, because that's the path I took.


OP here. This doesn't sound happy. If the only way to get along with him is to lead a completely separate life as if he doesn't exist, then I might as well divorce him. I am not even sure how cutting him out of my life would work, even if we were divorced, because we have kids.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I whole heartedly recommend the Gottman book. We have a similar dynamic (not the mother part) and I am always struggling with feeling like my husband is just another child to take care of.

Prior to the arrival of #2, we started seeing a marriage therapist and she saw this dynamic within the first 10 seconds. She was helpful, but I don't think we made too much progress during the sessions. It only emphasized what I always knew -- I'm the one who gets things done, and my husband prefers to be in the role of just following along.

So after baby #2 arrived, we didn't have time for counseling, and I was back to work full-time after not too long, and these issues were annoying me more than ever. I ordered two copies of John Gottman's book the Seven Principles for Making Marriage work and to my husband I said something like "I am tired of having to make all the decisions. I am exhausted. I cannot muster the energy to come up with a complex plan to make our marriage work and regain the happiness we once had. But I found this book, and people swear by it, so let us both read it and we can both tackle this together."

And so we started reading. And then we started talking. And then we started listening. I have to work hard to not sound cold/"mean", but I've been working on it in exchange for him working on cutting me some slack in the tone department. There is a great section of this book on solvable problems -- and that is where most of our problems fell, since they centered on how to get sh*t done in our lives.

Overall, things aren't 100% better, but they are hugely improved! We no longer have emotionally charged arguments stemming from my comment about taking out the trash. I still feel that I do 80% of the planning/coordinating, but its not 100%. And we've only been working on these things for about 6-7 months, so I'm hoping my number will continue to decrease!!

So wishing you lots of luck. It sucks when you feel like your husband is just another person sucking your time/energy.

Tackling the mother thing is a whole different ballgame ...


OP here. Okay, I am going to get this book. It really does stink that I have started to see my husband as another headache in my life like my boss and coworkers.

His mother is going to get put in her place shortly. I am at the point of sitting her down and letting her know what I really think of her if she steps out of line with me again. But I know that we have many more problems than just his mother. In fact, his mother is just a symptom.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I whole heartedly recommend the Gottman book. We have a similar dynamic (not the mother part) and I am always struggling with feeling like my husband is just another child to take care of.

Prior to the arrival of #2, we started seeing a marriage therapist and she saw this dynamic within the first 10 seconds. She was helpful, but I don't think we made too much progress during the sessions. It only emphasized what I always knew -- I'm the one who gets things done, and my husband prefers to be in the role of just following along.

So after baby #2 arrived, we didn't have time for counseling, and I was back to work full-time after not too long, and these issues were annoying me more than ever. I ordered two copies of John Gottman's book the Seven Principles for Making Marriage work and to my husband I said something like "I am tired of having to make all the decisions. I am exhausted. I cannot muster the energy to come up with a complex plan to make our marriage work and regain the happiness we once had. But I found this book, and people swear by it, so let us both read it and we can both tackle this together."

And so we started reading. And then we started talking. And then we started listening. I have to work hard to not sound cold/"mean", but I've been working on it in exchange for him working on cutting me some slack in the tone department. There is a great section of this book on solvable problems -- and that is where most of our problems fell, since they centered on how to get sh*t done in our lives.

Overall, things aren't 100% better, but they are hugely improved! We no longer have emotionally charged arguments stemming from my comment about taking out the trash. I still feel that I do 80% of the planning/coordinating, but its not 100%. And we've only been working on these things for about 6-7 months, so I'm hoping my number will continue to decrease!!

So wishing you lots of luck. It sucks when you feel like your husband is just another person sucking your time/energy.

Tackling the mother thing is a whole different ballgame ...


OP here. Okay, I am going to get this book. It really does stink that I have started to see my husband as another headache in my life like my boss and coworkers.

His mother is going to get put in her place shortly. I am at the point of sitting her down and letting her know what I really think of her if she steps out of line with me again. But I know that we have many more problems than just his mother. In fact, his mother is just a symptom.


OP here again. How much of a time commitment is the Gottman book? Is it better to just to go therapy?
Anonymous
Different PP - Gottmann book is a pretty quick read - a couple hours maybe? And easy to get through in 15-20 min bursts - I read it before bed. Definitely a better use of time than standard marriage counseling. We may still go the counseling route but if We do it will def be with a Gottmann counselor.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

Ha! I'm going to call:

- unreliable narrator
- not "type A" but weak ego and overcompensating, bordering on abusive
- DH is walking on eggshells and emotionally exhausted
- His family sees all this quite clearly and doesn't like what you are doing to him and the kids; you are probably right to infer they don't like you - you don't sound very likable.

HTH, HAND


OP here. You are not going to derail my thread. Bye.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Different PP - Gottmann book is a pretty quick read - a couple hours maybe? And easy to get through in 15-20 min bursts - I read it before bed. Definitely a better use of time than standard marriage counseling. We may still go the counseling route but if We do it will def be with a Gottmann counselor.


How does one find a Gottman counselor?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Ha! I'm going to call:

- unreliable narrator
- not "type A" but weak ego and overcompensating, bordering on abusive
- DH is walking on eggshells and emotionally exhausted
- His family sees all this quite clearly and doesn't like what you are doing to him and the kids; you are probably right to infer they don't like you - you don't sound very likable.

HTH, HAND


OP here. You are not going to derail my thread. Bye.

Not pp but I think you need to consider some of this, it will likely come up in therapy (I say this as the poster who had similar issues and went to therapy)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Ha! I'm going to call:

- unreliable narrator
- not "type A" but weak ego and overcompensating, bordering on abusive
- DH is walking on eggshells and emotionally exhausted
- His family sees all this quite clearly and doesn't like what you are doing to him and the kids; you are probably right to infer they don't like you - you don't sound very likable.

HTH, HAND


OP here. You are not going to derail my thread. Bye.

Not pp but I think you need to consider some of this, it will likely come up in therapy (I say this as the poster who had similar issues and went to therapy)


OP here. I'm not going to entertain troll posts and personal attacks in lieu of therapy.
Anonymous
So I think there are two issues. The MIl issue I'm on your side with. The husband issue? It's pretty clear you don't like him. But I don't think you're being fair. Part of being married is working out a communication style that works for BOTH of you. There Needs to be compromise. You need to be a little more sensitive. He needs to buck up a little. But you both need to work on a compromise taking into account both of your personalities. Otherwise this will lead to divorce. I think some own self reflection on your behavior and how you can change would be beneficial.
Anonymous
OP- Maybe a weekend retreat would be helpful too. If you are in Metro DC, there is one in Columbia, MD in July.
http://www.gottman.com/marriage-couples/
Anonymous
13:09- Here is link to find a Gottman Therapist in your area
http://www.gottman.com/private-therapy/
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