"Can you send me your notes...... pleeeezzzze?????

[Anonymous]

OP here - thank you for your input.
DD only has two more days of school before we leave for vacation, so I am not going to bring it up now.
She has a project to work on over the break that involves research. I will somehow try to bring up plagiarizing, helping, copying, school policy etc... and in some vague way get my point across.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would talk to her. Not just about the repercussions of cheating, but also (and mostly) about the value of her work. You wouldn't believe the number of people who asked me for my notes during both my undergrad and grad studies - at first I said yes because I thought it'd be rude to refuse, but it got to a point where I was taken advantage of by people I barely knew. I felt SO relieved once I developed an "official" policy of refusing unless the person was a very close friend. I stopped agonizing and feeling guilty over every single request, and felt much better knowing the work I'd taken so seriously was mine only and didn't serve to raise random students' grades!

I suppose your language was rhetorical, but consider who uses DCUM. Yes, we all know how many people asked to borrow our notes, or in some cases, borrowed other people's notes.

If the notes are required to be turned in for a grade, then that might be different. Just sharing notes among students in a class doesn't seem like cheating to me.

Absolutely. I wasn't implying that it was cheating in my case, just illustrating that her work was worth something and that giving it away so easily lessened that fact. It's just so easy to feel guilty when you want to please everybody, which is why I think OP should talk about peer pressure, self-respect and pride in one's work, in addition to cheating.

(And I'm not a native English speaker, so it's entirely possible that my point got lost somewhere in my shaky English sentences )

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I would talk to her. Not just about the repercussions of cheating, but also (and mostly) about the value of her work. You wouldn't believe the number of people who asked me for my notes during both my undergrad and grad studies - at first I said yes because I thought it'd be rude to refuse, but it got to a point where I was taken advantage of by people I barely knew. I felt SO relieved once I developed an "official" policy of refusing unless the person was a very close friend. I stopped agonizing and feeling guilty over every single request, and felt much better knowing the work I'd taken so seriously was mine only and didn't serve to raise random students' grades!

I suppose your language was rhetorical, but consider who uses DCUM. Yes, we all know how many people asked to borrow our notes, or in some cases, borrowed other people's notes.

If the notes are required to be turned in for a grade, then that might be different. Just sharing notes among students in a class doesn't seem like cheating to me.

Absolutely. I wasn't implying that it was cheating in my case, just illustrating that her work was worth something and that giving it away so easily lessened that fact. It's just so easy to feel guilty when you want to please everybody, which is why I think OP should talk about peer pressure, self-respect and pride in one's work, in addition to cheating.

(And I'm not a native English speaker, so it's entirely possible that my point got lost somewhere in my shaky English sentences )

You bring up a good point about pleasing people.

[Anonymous]

This seems a pretty ambiguous situation to me. At our school, kids are specifically encouraged to have a homework buddy or two that they can get notes/homework assignments/study group type help from if necessary.

At least at our school, forwarding someone your notes so they can copy them down happens frequently, makes sense, and is accepted practice. Definitely not cheating.

Since your DD's school requires the notes be turned in for a grade, I think that may change things. Honestly, if all the friend did was paraphrase the notes I'm not sure there would be an academic integrity violation there -- everyone's working from the same material after all (the lecture) and how would they handle anyone who was absent) but the fact that there could be, and how serious that would be for your DD, are things you should probably bring up in conversation with your DD so she can make a more informed choice in the future.

Out of curiosity, is your DD at a private school or an area public? I'm only asking because I have never heard of a school requiring notes turned in for a grade, and this is only the second time I have heard of requiring a specific type of notes, so I'm just curious if this is becoming a common practice/

[Anonymous]

Your daughter may also have felt pressured to give her work to a whiny friend to keep peace. Remind her that she is being responsible and doing work and it's okay to decline when people ask for it. Even if it means saying "my mom would kill me"

[Anonymous]

I went to Cornell and was never taught the Cornell notes system. Is it an effective way to take notes?