What does it mean that ISIS "beheads" its victims?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

If this is what the Koran says, then it's just literature than should not be taken seriously in the modern era.

[Anonymous]

The West should undertake Crusades II

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

Then why do they call Islam a peaceful religion? This is disgusting. Religion makes me sick the more I learn about it.

I agree. All religions...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

PP here, I want to make note that I know the bible has insanely violent disgusting verses too, but it is a bit different because the bible is considered a compilation of writings by different people with some supposed "direct words of God", where the entire Qur'an is considered the exact word for word of God dictated directly to Muhammad, so it's not as easy for some really zealous believers to disregard certain violent verses as it is for Christians to disregard violent and disgusting verses contained in the Bible.

OP, if you want to understand more, I would suggest you read Umdat al Salik and the Sira of Muhammad.

Many people believe that the entire Bible was authored by God, and that he spoke through the writers in the same way that Allah is said to have spoken through Muhammad.

[Anonymous]

I watched on from the early 90s. The victim died from blood loos from the cut and was lying on the ground. Then they were bending over him and I stopped watching. The description said "and held up the head by the hair" but I did not watch that part. I was thankful that they person died early on.

[Anonymous]

... now I feel kind of sick thinking about it.

[Anonymous]

One thing is for certain, the poor woman in Oklahoma was neither drugged, nor the "beneficiary" of a swift ax.

I know no details, but the most logistical way is for him to have his knee on her head, basically making her stuck to the ground, unable to move.

I inheritated a ton of really powerful, sharp knives, won't look at them the same way again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

Then why do they call Islam a peaceful religion? This is disgusting. Religion makes me sick the more I learn about it.

Really? Does John ("the gospel of love") make you sick? Or "to him who has not sinned, cast the first stone"? or "turn the other cheek"? "he who is first shall be last, and last shall be first"--fighting for the underdogs? I hope you don't give up on religion. There is a God, and s/he loves you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

Then why do they call Islam a peaceful religion? This is disgusting. Religion makes me sick the more I learn about it.

Really? Does John ("the gospel of love") make you sick? Or "to him who has not sinned, cast the first stone"? or "turn the other cheek"? "he who is first shall be last, and last shall be first"--fighting for the underdogs? I hope you don't give up on religion. There is a God, and s/he loves you.

The same God said this:

10When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

16However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17Completely destroya them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

I think he just said that for ordinary enemies kill the men and enslave the women and children. But for special enemies, kill the babies too. Total genocide.

Of course you will respond with the usual old law new law, or something of the sort. But conservatives show no such nuance/ tolerance for contradiction when it comes to Islam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It means that they are following verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths that talk about beheading. Not sure why they don't bother to cut the fingers off also though.

for example:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

When Muhammad conquered the Qurayza Jewish tribe, he had all the males, history books say somewhere between 600 and 800, beheaded and buried in trenches. The women and children were taken as slaves. He took Rayhana as his, but he released her from slavery and made her one of his wives.

Then why do they call Islam a peaceful religion? This is disgusting. Religion makes me sick the more I learn about it.

Religion of Warlords

Muhammad has been often criticized outside of the Islamic world for his treatment of the Jewish tribes of Medina. An example is the mass killing of the men of the Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe of Medina. The tribe was accused of having engaged in treasonous agreements with the enemies besieging Medina in the Battle of the Trench in 627. Ibn Ishaq writes that Muhammad approved the beheading of some 600-900 individuals who surrendered unconditionally after a siege that lasted several weeks. (Also see Bukhari 5:59:362) (Yusuf Ali notes that the Qur'an discusses this battle in verses [Quran 33:10]). They were buried in a mass grave in the Medina market place, and the women and children were sold into slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Religion of Warlords

Muhammad has been often criticized outside of the Islamic world for his treatment of the Jewish tribes of Medina. An example is the mass killing of the men of the Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe of Medina. The tribe was accused of having engaged in treasonous agreements with the enemies besieging Medina in the Battle of the Trench in 627. Ibn Ishaq writes that Muhammad approved the beheading of some 600-900 individuals who surrendered unconditionally after a siege that lasted several weeks. (Also see Bukhari 5:59:362) (Yusuf Ali notes that the Qur'an discusses this battle in verses [Quran 33:10]). They were buried in a mass grave in the Medina market place, and the women and children were sold into slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Ayyadieh

"The massacre of Ayyadieh occurred on 20 August 1191. It was perpetrated by Richard Coeur de Lion, better known as Richard the Lion Heart, during the Crusades to recover the holy land from the saracens under the command of Saladin."

"Over 3,000 men, women and children, were beaten to death, axed or killed with swords and lances."

You guys talk about 627 as if it were yesterday. But, someone mentions the Crusades -- the third of which was over 500 years later -- it's "ancient history".

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:so now we want to compare apples to apples?

Following groups have been beheading people in past year.

You have posted the post -- which I removed -- at least 20 times. The post is bigoted and insulting. I allowed it to remain a few times, but enough is enough. Please do not post it again because I will remove it every time I see it. You can find another website for your bigoted garbage.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Religion of Warlords

Muhammad has been often criticized outside of the Islamic world for his treatment of the Jewish tribes of Medina. An example is the mass killing of the men of the Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe of Medina. The tribe was accused of having engaged in treasonous agreements with the enemies besieging Medina in the Battle of the Trench in 627. Ibn Ishaq writes that Muhammad approved the beheading of some 600-900 individuals who surrendered unconditionally after a siege that lasted several weeks. (Also see Bukhari 5:59:362) (Yusuf Ali notes that the Qur'an discusses this battle in verses [Quran 33:10]). They were buried in a mass grave in the Medina market place, and the women and children were sold into slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Ayyadieh

"The massacre of Ayyadieh occurred on 20 August 1191. It was perpetrated by Richard Coeur de Lion, better known as Richard the Lion Heart, during the Crusades to recover the holy land from the saracens under the command of Saladin."

"Over 3,000 men, women and children, were beaten to death, axed or killed with swords and lances."

You guys talk about 627 as if it were yesterday. But, someone mentions the Crusades -- the third of which was over 500 years later -- it's "ancient history".

Muhammad is Islam's prophet, delivering what in their belief is the final and perfected message of God. That is why his actions still have relevance.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so now we want to compare apples to apples?

Following groups have been beheading people in past year.

You have posted the post -- which I removed -- at least 20 times. The post is bigoted and insulting. I allowed it to remain a few times, but enough is enough. Please do not post it again because I will remove it every time I see it. You can find another website for your bigoted garbage.

The fundamental problem is the Quran, and Muslims treating the Quran as infallible. That is the common denominator.

The word "moderate" has lost its credibility. Fareed Zakaria has referred to Middle Eastern moderates as a "fantasy." Islam needs reformers, not moderates. And words like "reform" just don't go very well with words like "infallibility."

Sometimes, this kind of exchange will lead to the questioner being labeled an "Islamophobe," or being accused of bigotry, as Aslan did with Maher and his CNN hosts. This is a very serious charge that is very effective at ending the conversation. No one wants to be called a bigot.

Maher is absolutely correct in his recent comments. So I think it’s just how you frame it. And there’s a knee-jerk reaction sometimes among liberals — “Oh, we need to be protective of a group that certainly does face prejudice and bigotry in America” (and I’m certainly against that) — but we need to understand that it’s a wider issue.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Muhammad is Islam's prophet, delivering what in their belief is the final and perfected message of God. That is why his actions still have relevance.

His actions only have relevance to those who want them to be relevant. To most Muslims, the Battle of the Trench -- if they even know what it is -- is a historical event. It is not something to be emulated today. It has more relevance to those who want to tarnish Islam than it has to the average Muslim.