Can you please delete thread?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As an attorney... it's still discoverable. Jeff, you'd better save it in case it gets subpoena'ed, you're now on notice that it's possible. OP, you'd better tell your lawyer about the thread's existence so your lawyer can figure out what steps, if any, to take. OP, you should also know that deliberately trashing evidence (ex: asking Jeff to delete a thread) can get your case deep-sixed real fast.

this is pretty ridiculous. Jeff is not a party to any sort of existent/non-existent case, he has no obligation to retain anything. I haven't read the thread, but it couldn't be evidence- it's just the OP saying what happened. Signed- also a litigating attorney.

Really? You're an attorney and you don't see how it could be evidence? NP here, also a litigator, and it clearly could be evidence. If the OP made a statement against interest that the other side found useful, hearsay exception right there. Clearly, other possibilities as well.

The win goes to 13:24 -- while it could be evidence, Jeff has no obligation to preserve it. Sorry 13:26, please turn in your bar card.

He may have had no obligation to preserve it; that is different from responding to a request to "delete" it (ha!) where such request clearly and unambiguously contemplates its use in litigation.

This is OP. If the thread is discovered it wouldn't hurt my case. It documented everything I went through 100% honestly. There's nothing there I haven't already informed my attorney of. I thought deleting a public thread about what is turning to more of a serious matter was the "right" thing to do (based on the advice I received there to do so). There's nothing there I wouldn't want my employers attorneys to see. Thanks for all of your advice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an attorney... it's still discoverable. Jeff, you'd better save it in case it gets subpoena'ed, you're now on notice that it's possible. OP, you'd better tell your lawyer about the thread's existence so your lawyer can figure out what steps, if any, to take. OP, you should also know that deliberately trashing evidence (ex: asking Jeff to delete a thread) can get your case deep-sixed real fast.

this is pretty ridiculous. Jeff is not a party to any sort of existent/non-existent case, he has no obligation to retain anything. I haven't read the thread, but it couldn't be evidence- it's just the OP saying what happened. Signed- also a litigating attorney.

Really? You're an attorney and you don't see how it could be evidence? NP here, also a litigator, and it clearly could be evidence. If the OP made a statement against interest that the other side found useful, hearsay exception right there. Clearly, other possibilities as well.

The win goes to 13:24 -- while it could be evidence, Jeff has no obligation to preserve it. Sorry 13:26, please turn in your bar card.

He may have had no obligation to preserve it; that is different from responding to a request to "delete" it (ha!) where such request clearly and unambiguously contemplates its use in litigation.

This is OP. If the thread is discovered it wouldn't hurt my case. It documented everything I went through 100% honestly. There's nothing there I haven't already informed my attorney of. I thought deleting a public thread about what is turning to more of a serious matter was the "right" thing to do (based on the advice I received there to do so). There's nothing there I wouldn't want my employers attorneys to see. Thanks for all of your advice.

omg - op.
By the way, it did not document everything you went through. It documented your side of things, your state of mind, that is not a recounting of facts, just what your perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an attorney... it's still discoverable. Jeff, you'd better save it in case it gets subpoena'ed, you're now on notice that it's possible. OP, you'd better tell your lawyer about the thread's existence so your lawyer can figure out what steps, if any, to take. OP, you should also know that deliberately trashing evidence (ex: asking Jeff to delete a thread) can get your case deep-sixed real fast.

You're a jerk

[jsteele]

I welcome all requests for evidence. But, anyone sending me one had better have a really big checkbook and fancy pen. I don't work for free. And, somehow coming up with a thread that no longer exists is going to be expensive.

[Anonymous]

Enjoying this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Enjoying this discussion.

Me too. Brings me back to law school (and serves as an unnecessary reminder of why I don't want to practice law).
Keep it coming people! Is Jeff, or is Jeff not, going to jail?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Enjoying this discussion.

Me too. My DC's father asked Jeff to delete a thread about hanging out with the in-laws because their own child (me) wouldn't do it -- mangling the facts in his favor. Nice try! Glad to know it is discoverable. Thanks for the tip!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As an attorney... it's still discoverable. Jeff, you'd better save it in case it gets subpoena'ed, you're now on notice that it's possible. OP, you'd better tell your lawyer about the thread's existence so your lawyer can figure out what steps, if any, to take. OP, you should also know that deliberately trashing evidence (ex: asking Jeff to delete a thread) can get your case deep-sixed real fast.

You're a jerk

Or just trying to be helpful, take your pick...

[Anonymous]

For it to live on on the web, someone/thing would have had to copied and post it. If Jeff does regular maintenance and writes over the deleted post it's pretty much gone. This is why you do regular maintenance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He has no obligation to preserve this. He is not a party to the litigation, he has not received a subpoena, he does not work for the company, etc.

So if OP hands you a letter and says, "Burn this for me in your fireplace because I'm going to be filing a lawsuit," you may do so, with impunity? I don't think so...

I'm not an attorney. If a friend asked me to burn a letter in a fireplace because she's going to file a lawsuit, why would I be faced with punishment for doing it? It's not like I have knowledge of a crime and am trying to protect my friend.

[Anonymous]

This is why no one likes lawyers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He has no obligation to preserve this. He is not a party to the litigation, he has not received a subpoena, he does not work for the company, etc.

So if OP hands you a letter and says, "Burn this for me in your fireplace because I'm going to be filing a lawsuit," you may do so, with impunity? I don't think so...

I'm not an attorney. If a friend asked me to burn a letter in a fireplace because she's going to file a lawsuit, why would I be faced with punishment for doing it? It's not like I have knowledge of a crime and am trying to protect my friend.

In what social circles do you operate in which friends ask other friends to burn letters for them and no one thinks that's a red flag?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He has no obligation to preserve this. He is not a party to the litigation, he has not received a subpoena, he does not work for the company, etc.

So if OP hands you a letter and says, "Burn this for me in your fireplace because I'm going to be filing a lawsuit," you may do so, with impunity? I don't think so...

I'm not an attorney. If a friend asked me to burn a letter in a fireplace because she's going to file a lawsuit, why would I be faced with punishment for doing it? It's not like I have knowledge of a crime and am trying to protect my friend.

In what social circles do you operate in which friends ask other friends to burn letters for them and no one thinks that's a red flag?

How about if you ask a trash man to take it to the dump? Are you saying the trash man would be somehow responsible for the evidence, even though taking trash to the dump is his job? Because part of what Jeff does is delete threads or posts when people ask him to. That's his job.

[Anonymous]

Please, first years - go back to doc review. We need to get a production out like yesterday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He has no obligation to preserve this. He is not a party to the litigation, he has not received a subpoena, he does not work for the company, etc.

So if OP hands you a letter and says, "Burn this for me in your fireplace because I'm going to be filing a lawsuit," you may do so, with impunity? I don't think so...

I'm not an attorney. If a friend asked me to burn a letter in a fireplace because she's going to file a lawsuit, why would I be faced with punishment for doing it? It's not like I have knowledge of a crime and am trying to protect my friend.

In what social circles do you operate in which friends ask other friends to burn letters for them and no one thinks that's a red flag?

You seriously posted this as a real question?