School Boundary Issue - How will NW elementary schools be affected?

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Anonymous wrote:Logistically, you cannot send upper NW elementary (and likely middle schoolers) elsewhere. There is no other elsewhere except across town, and that's a complete non-starter.

More fundamentally: those schools work. Everyone realizes this, even the insufferably jealous people.

Really? I wouldn't want to go to one of those schools. If I did - I would live somewhere like, Fairfax county. Where, you might as well live if you live in Ward 3.

Have you ever been to Ward 3? I suppose you have a detector, so that if you are at a party, you immediately sense people are form Ward 3 and avoid them? Or do you screen them actively, asking them if from Ward 3 and then saying, oh sorry, I no longer want to talk to you? Talk about snobby!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Logistically, you cannot send upper NW elementary (and likely middle schoolers) elsewhere. There is no other elsewhere except across town, and that's a complete non-starter.

More fundamentally: those schools work. Everyone realizes this, even the insufferably jealous people.

Really? I wouldn't want to go to one of those schools. If I did - I would live somewhere like, Fairfax county. Where, you might as well live if you live in Ward 3.

I hope you wouldn't want to go to those schools. The focus on reading and arithmetic would be off-putting to most adults. Recess, school plays and art class would be pretty cool, but I would expect you to be bored on net.

(That's about as relevant as your Fairfax > NWNW point. Look FFX has great schools, but there is very little comparable (without saying which is better) between NWNW and FFX.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Nothing is absolute, but there's very (very) little than can (let alone should) be done about the schools in upper NW. Especially the JKLM(ann) schools; there's simply no other options.

What do you mean there's simply no other options?

They can and should adjust the boundaries of the overcrowded schools (Janney and Murch) to the less overcrowded ones (Hearst and Eaton).

I agree about Murch, which is why I didn't include it. Given that Janney's school population lives west of the school, I don't believe it's feasible to send them across Wisconsin. Southern Janney (the Sedgewick, Tindall, etc.) areas near Turtle Park could be reassigned to Mann, but that's a lateral move in terms of quality. I don't view that as unpalatable and certainly wouldn't let this remote possibility affect my inclination to buy a home in the area.

Are you serious? Not feasible to send them across Wisconsin? WTH? What does that have to do with anything.

Wisconsin has crosswalks, if you have been there on foot before.

I live there. What about you?

It doesn't have to be the Berlin Wall to be an effective boundary, especially when we're talking about people 48 inches and below. Spanning major arterial roads defeats the concept/purpose of a neighborhood school. There appears to be very little desire to tear apart the concept of neighborhood schools in these areas, and for good reason.

[Anonymous]

Murch students survive crossing Connecticut. It can happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Nothing is absolute, but there's very (very) little than can (let alone should) be done about the schools in upper NW. Especially the JKLM(ann) schools; there's simply no other options.

What do you mean there's simply no other options?

They can and should adjust the boundaries of the overcrowded schools (Janney and Murch) to the less overcrowded ones (Hearst and Eaton).

I agree about Murch, which is why I didn't include it. Given that Janney's school population lives west of the school, I don't believe it's feasible to send them across Wisconsin. Southern Janney (the Sedgewick, Tindall, etc.) areas near Turtle Park could be reassigned to Mann, but that's a lateral move in terms of quality. I don't view that as unpalatable and certainly wouldn't let this remote possibility affect my inclination to buy a home in the area.

Are you serious? Not feasible to send them across Wisconsin? WTH? What does that have to do with anything.

Wisconsin has crosswalks, if you have been there on foot before.

I live there. What about you?

It doesn't have to be the Berlin Wall to be an effective boundary, especially when we're talking about people 48 inches and below. Spanning major arterial roads defeats the concept/purpose of a neighborhood school. There appears to be very little desire to tear apart the concept of neighborhood schools in these areas, and for good reason.

Nowhere in my post did I mention tearing apart the concept of neighborhood schools. My ONLY point, is that children can indeed walk across a street with crosswalks. Isn't some of Janney already on the east side of Wisconsin? Should children not be allowed to be zoned across Connecticut? Or 16th Street? Is this what you are advocating? Do you seriously not allow your children to walk with you across the street?

Children can cross a street with crosswalks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Murch students survive crossing Connecticut. It can happen.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Murch students survive crossing Connecticut. It can happen.

The point is normative, not positive. In this case, the former is what we care about, not the latter.

[Anonymous]

whatever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:whatever.

That suggests you don't understand what the terms mean. The fault is on me.

Normative is "what should be." Positive is "what is." When talking about making new boundaries, it's clearly normative considerations that matter.

[Anonymous]

There is a part of the Janney Inboundary which is on the east side of Wisconsin already. From the north side of Yuma Street up to Nebraska blocks 38 - 39th ish... that little triangle seems to me to be the most likely to be redistricted toward Hearst.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:whatever.

That suggests you don't understand what the terms mean. The fault is on me.

Normative is "what should be." Positive is "what is." When talking about making new boundaries, it's clearly normative considerations that matter.

WOW.

I understand you are not very nice. That I get. Thanks for making that crystal clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a part of the Janney Inboundary which is on the east side of Wisconsin already. From the north side of Yuma Street up to Nebraska blocks 38 - 39th ish... that little triangle seems to me to be the most likely to be redistricted toward Hearst.

There's more than that. The boundary line for Janney is 41st st, not Wisconsin Ave. There's an entire swath of Janney that lives east of Wisconsin Ave from Livingston St all the way down to Chesapeake St.

[Anonymous]

Don't many, many Oyster students cross Conn? God forbid I think some even cross the Calvert St bridge!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:whatever.

That suggests you don't understand what the terms mean. The fault is on me.

Normative is "what should be." Positive is "what is." When talking about making new boundaries, it's clearly normative considerations that matter.

WOW.

I understand you are not very nice. That I get. Thanks for making that crystal clear.

Am I supposed to recognize "whatever" as an attempt at serious dialogue?

Do you understand that I'm not very nice? Really, you managed to get that from a few posts in an online forum? Then you truly are a better person than me. I try (not always successfully) withhold judgement about people's character and intent until I have a more intimate relationship with them. I also value serious, engaged, intellectual discourse regardless of whether I "win" the argument. I don't just put my hands over my ears.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a part of the Janney Inboundary which is on the east side of Wisconsin already. From the north side of Yuma Street up to Nebraska blocks 38 - 39th ish... that little triangle seems to me to be the most likely to be redistricted toward Hearst.

There's more than that. The boundary line for Janney is 41st st, not Wisconsin Ave. There's an entire swath of Janney that lives east of Wisconsin Ave from Livingston St all the way down to Chesapeake St.

I also think that area should be on the chopping block. (There are few children in these blocks, though, so perhaps not worth having the discussion derailed on this tangent.) If it were me (it's not), I would place great emphasis on boundaries that produce compact, convex sets (basically those that look like circles).