Yu Ying waitlist hypothesis

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Do kids really get teased about being mix-raced or Asian these day?

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Anonymous wrote:Do kids really get teased about being mix-raced or Asian these day?

No idea but I got teased as a child in the lily white 'burbs - enlightened, progressive, etc.

While it maybe hard for people who have always been in the majority to understand, it's nice to have a few others like oneself rather than being an "only" even without teasing.

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OP here - thanks for the thoughts.

Seems there is some consensus on the time stamp effect. For the PP who asked me am I only just figuring this out, yeah, actually, I have to admit I hadn't really thought about why a school would use time stamp - I just saw it as a throw-back. But I think I understand better now. Although its effect must have been weakened in the internet age. Forcing people to camp outside the school all night in winter would be a stronger display of devotion!

I was interested to see one PP, current YY parents, who want bilingualism and are indifferent between Spanish and Chinese. Thanks for sharing this perspective. This is really interesting to me. I have seen this perspective on DCUM before but have not yet encountered it among people I meet. I meet a lot of gringos who have no Spanish-speaking relatives but nevertheless are keen on their kid learning Spanish, and I understand this. I mean it's the second (or first!) language in many US cities. But Chinese? This seems a totally different proposition! Much respect to those parents.

On that note, the PP who pointed out that possibly 30% of the student body is asian/chinese descent or mixed, and this in a lottery admission school, this doesn't surprise me.

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Anonymous wrote:Do kids really get teased about being mix-raced or Asian these day?

Didn't read the article, but saw that a study recently came out indicating that Asians are the most bullied ethnic group. We get it from both sides, black and white. Mixed just get it from everyone including other Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:PP again--
I can share further that at the JKLM I'm talking about the inboundary applicants with siblings have a 50/50 chance of getting in. I know quite a few families this year and over the past 2 years who would prefer the JKLM but also have an interest in Chinese or Spanish and view Yu Ying or Mundo Verde as a back-up for PK. PK is viewed as a bonus year--if the kid likes it and the commute works then they'll stay at the school. If not, the kid will go to the JKLM for K with their guaranteed seat.

I understand that DC is set up so that parents have the choice to do this, but honestly, it pisses me the H off. It is so ridiculousy selfish. We are IB for a JKLM and we were clear: if we get into MV or YY in PK, we're staying. And if we weren't committed to those schools, we were not applying because we know how limited those slots are. I know parents can do this, but it is frustrating and annoying that they do do it.

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Anonymous wrote:PP again--
I can share further that at the JKLM I'm talking about the inboundary applicants with siblings have a 50/50 chance of getting in. I know quite a few families this year and over the past 2 years who would prefer the JKLM but also have an interest in Chinese or Spanish and view Yu Ying or Mundo Verde as a back-up for PK. PK is viewed as a bonus year--if the kid likes it and the commute works then they'll stay at the school. If not, the kid will go to the JKLM for K with their guaranteed seat.

I understand that DC is set up so that parents have the choice to do this, but honestly, it pisses me the H off. It is so ridiculousy selfish. We are IB for a JKLM and we were clear: if we get into MV or YY in PK, we're staying. And if we weren't committed to those schools, we were not applying because we know how limited those slots are. I know parents can do this, but it is frustrating and annoying that they do do it.

I don't see why it is selfish. These people pay DC taxes just like everyone else -- why shouldn't they go OOB or charter for the public pk3/4 if their IB school doesn't offer pk3 or if they don't do well in the lottery for their IB school?

It only ties up the spot for pk3 and maybe 4. They will release the spot for K, and so whomever they "bumped out" in pk3 or 4 can get that K spot. It is not as if their acceptance in pk ties up the spot forever. The spot becomes open again as soon as they leave.

We pay high taxes in DC and rarely get much in exchange. Pk3/4 is a rare exception where our local govt offering is better than what you get for your tax dollar in MD or VA. What is so wrong with taking advantage of this opportunity for as long as you live in DC?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again--
I can share further that at the JKLM I'm talking about the inboundary applicants with siblings have a 50/50 chance of getting in. I know quite a few families this year and over the past 2 years who would prefer the JKLM but also have an interest in Chinese or Spanish and view Yu Ying or Mundo Verde as a back-up for PK. PK is viewed as a bonus year--if the kid likes it and the commute works then they'll stay at the school. If not, the kid will go to the JKLM for K with their guaranteed seat.

I understand that DC is set up so that parents have the choice to do this, but honestly, it pisses me the H off. It is so ridiculousy selfish. We are IB for a JKLM and we were clear: if we get into MV or YY in PK, we're staying. And if we weren't committed to those schools, we were not applying because we know how limited those slots are. I know parents can do this, but it is frustrating and annoying that they do do it.

I don't see why it is selfish. These people pay DC taxes just like everyone else -- why shouldn't they go OOB or charter for the public pk3/4 if their IB school doesn't offer pk3 or if they don't do well in the lottery for their IB school?

It only ties up the spot for pk3 and maybe 4. They will release the spot for K, and so whomever they "bumped out" in pk3 or 4 can get that K spot. It is not as if their acceptance in pk ties up the spot forever. The spot becomes open again as soon as they leave.

Yes, this makes sense intellectually. But the immersion charters start at 3 or 4 in order to give kids the best start in the language. Having kids turn around at K and leave does open up a spot, but it's much more difficult for a kid to jump into the language at K. And LAMB doesn't take any kids at K at all.

By all means, get your taxpayer value, but please consider a school without a language focus. Appletree is a wonderful early education charter that has multiple campuses and an excellent program.

We pay high taxes in DC and rarely get much in exchange. Pk3/4 is a rare exception where our local govt offering is better than what you get for your tax dollar in MD or VA. What is so wrong with taking advantage of this opportunity for as long as you live in DC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP again--
I can share further that at the JKLM I'm talking about the inboundary applicants with siblings have a 50/50 chance of getting in. I know quite a few families this year and over the past 2 years who would prefer the JKLM but also have an interest in Chinese or Spanish and view Yu Ying or Mundo Verde as a back-up for PK. PK is viewed as a bonus year--if the kid likes it and the commute works then they'll stay at the school. If not, the kid will go to the JKLM for K with their guaranteed seat.

I understand that DC is set up so that parents have the choice to do this, but honestly, it pisses me the H off. It is so ridiculousy selfish. We are IB for a JKLM and we were clear: if we get into MV or YY in PK, we're staying. And if we weren't committed to those schools, we were not applying because we know how limited those slots are. I know parents can do this, but it is frustrating and annoying that they do do it.

I don't see why it is selfish. These people pay DC taxes just like everyone else -- why shouldn't they go OOB or charter for the public pk3/4 if their IB school doesn't offer pk3 or if they don't do well in the lottery for their IB school?

It only ties up the spot for pk3 and maybe 4. They will release the spot for K, and so whomever they "bumped out" in pk3 or 4 can get that K spot. It is not as if their acceptance in pk ties up the spot forever. The spot becomes open again as soon as they leave.

We pay high taxes in DC and rarely get much in exchange. Pk3/4 is a rare exception where our local govt offering is better than what you get for your tax dollar in MD or VA. What is so wrong with taking advantage of this opportunity for as long as you live in DC?

Yes, this makes sense intellectually. But the immersion charters start at 3 or 4 in order to give kids the best start in the language. Having kids turn around at K and leave does open up a spot, but it's much more difficult for a kid to jump into the language at K. And LAMB doesn't take any kids at K at all.

By all means, get your taxpayer value, but please consider a school without a language focus. Appletree is a wonderful early education charter that has multiple campuses and an excellent program.

[Anonymous]

Excellent point PP! ^^

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks for the thoughts.

Seems there is some consensus on the time stamp effect. For the PP who asked me am I only just figuring this out, yeah, actually, I have to admit I hadn't really thought about why a school would use time stamp - I just saw it as a throw-back. But I think I understand better now. Although its effect must have been weakened in the internet age. Forcing people to camp outside the school all night in winter would be a stronger display of devotion!

I was interested to see one PP, current YY parents, who want bilingualism and are indifferent between Spanish and Chinese. Thanks for sharing this perspective. This is really interesting to me. I have seen this perspective on DCUM before but have not yet encountered it among people I meet. I meet a lot of gringos who have no Spanish-speaking relatives but nevertheless are keen on their kid learning Spanish, and I understand this. I mean it's the second (or first!) language in many US cities. But Chinese? This seems a totally different proposition! Much respect to those parents.

On that note, the PP who pointed out that possibly 30% of the student body is asian/chinese descent or mixed, and this in a lottery admission school, this doesn't surprise me.

This perspective about wanting immersion for it's own sake b/c it helps the brain work better..... And not caring about what language is learned, I've also only heard on DCUM. Never ever in real life. I suspect it's from the same poster (also on the Sela thread).

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I was going to say that I'm another person who wants immersion for immersion's sake but then you reminded me about sela and I realized that I want immersion for Immersion's sake as long as it's a fairly useful language in terms of geographic options and economics. (I haven't looked much at the sela threads for that reason.) But there are a number of languages that I would be happy with and I'd jump in whole heartedly even if it's one I don't speak myself yet.

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Just to provide a somewhat different opinion - I bet there are some people who applied to YY and the other non-common lottery schools just for the heck of it because it didn't cost them one of their 12 lottery spots and they didn't have to bother to figure out how to rank the school. So my guess is that some of those people will get in and then turn it down for a school that is a better fit. I even know people who waiting in line to get a high wait list number who would prefer certain other charters to YY. That said, while some of the people who originally get slots may not take them, my guess is that most of the line waiters will take the slots so they are unlikely to get to a high WL number.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to provide a somewhat different opinion - I bet there are some people who applied to YY and the other non-common lottery schools just for the heck of it because it didn't cost them one of their 12 lottery spots and they didn't have to bother to figure out how to rank the school. So my guess is that some of those people will get in and then turn it down for a school that is a better fit. I even know people who waiting in line to get a high wait list number who would prefer certain other charters to YY. That said, while some of the people who originally get slots may not take them, my guess is that most of the line waiters will take the slots so they are unlikely to get to a high WL number.

I would expect those sorts of tactics for CM, LAMB, but not for YY.

We applied everywhere except YY, because we knew we would never accept a spot if we got in. Nor would we consider immersion in arabic, hebrew, swedish, kurdish, or any other language that isn't part of our heritage and isn't spanish or french. To me it's an odd choice to school your kid in chinese if you're not from the culture, but to each their own!

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Anonymous wrote:Do kids really get teased about being mix-raced or Asian these day?

I have two mixed children. I wouldn't say they get teased per se but skin color/race is an issue. My DD was told I wasn't her mother because of the variance of our skin complexion. On the flip side of that, every child at the playground knows whose mom I am and probably noticed because of the difference.