Speaking of MAP scores

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I have a child who scored 228 on the MAP-M and 261 on the Map-R this Fall. Our school doesn't seem to be particularly wowed, so I'm assuming these scores aren't that meaningful.


261 is extraordinarly high.


That's 99th percentile for 9th graders. If this is an elementary school student then the score is even more impressive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a child who scored 228 on the MAP-M and 261 on the Map-R this Fall. Our school doesn't seem to be particularly wowed, so I'm assuming these scores aren't that meaningful.


261 is extraordinarly high.


That's 99th percentile for 9th graders. If this is an elementary school student then the score is even more impressive.


Sorry, I should have said my child is a third grader. The school hasn't suggested we do anything special. Should we ask about this?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a child who scored 228 on the MAP-M and 261 on the Map-R this Fall. Our school doesn't seem to be particularly wowed, so I'm assuming these scores aren't that meaningful.


261 is extraordinarly high.


That's 99th percentile for 9th graders. If this is an elementary school student then the score is even more impressive.


Sorry, I should have said my child is a third grader. The school hasn't suggested we do anything special. Should we ask about this?



I would ask the school about it. My child (4th grader - HGC this year) scored very, very high numbers on her tests and I had no idea what the numbers meant until I heard another friend talking about her child's scores. I don't think the schools like to give parent a lot of info about the meaning of the scores (b/c they think the parents will expect or demand more enrichment). If your child is scoring high numbers, you should discuss that with your child's teacher.

Be aware, however, that the teachers will likely have a "party line" speech about how the scores are only one factor in a child's education etc. While I agree that this is true, I was blown away to discover that, as a 3rd grader, my DD scored in the 99th percentile for a high school student! I think a parent should know that information so that they can make sure their child is being adequately challenged. Good luck to you.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a child who scored 228 on the MAP-M and 261 on the Map-R this Fall. Our school doesn't seem to be particularly wowed, so I'm assuming these scores aren't that meaningful.


261 is extraordinarly high.


That's 99th percentile for 9th graders. If this is an elementary school student then the score is even more impressive.


Sorry, I should have said my child is a third grader. The school hasn't suggested we do anything special. Should we ask about this?



I would ask the school about it. My child (4th grader - HGC this year) scored very, very high numbers on her tests and I had no idea what the numbers meant until I heard another friend talking about her child's scores. I don't think the schools like to give parent a lot of info about the meaning of the scores (b/c they think the parents will expect or demand more enrichment). If your child is scoring high numbers, you should discuss that with your child's teacher.

Be aware, however, that the teachers will likely have a "party line" speech about how the scores are only one factor in a child's education etc. While I agree that this is true, I was blown away to discover that, as a 3rd grader, my DD scored in the 99th percentile for a high school student! I think a parent should know that information so that they can make sure their child is being adequately challenged. Good luck to you.


This. The school is not saying anything to you, because they don't want to and really aren't capable of doing anything to educate your child at his/her level. Make sure he/she is in top reading group, and on the accelerated math track, but know that you might have to provide more opportunity for challenge at home and deal with boredom, anxiety or bad behavior at school because of mismatch between cognitive ability and level of challenge in class.

Definitely apply to the HGC, if accepted go to the Open House and ask a lot of questions. If it fits the family, I would strongly consider it. Frankly, thinking more deeply about whether the HGC is the right fit is a waste of time until you have an admit letter. Do it quickly. Deadline is November 8th.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

This. The school is not saying anything to you, because they don't want to and really aren't capable of doing anything to educate your child at his/her level. Make sure he/she is in top reading group, and on the accelerated math track, but know that you might have to provide more opportunity for challenge at home and deal with boredom, anxiety or bad behavior at school because of mismatch between cognitive ability and level of challenge in class.

Definitely apply to the HGC, if accepted go to the Open House and ask a lot of questions. If it fits the family, I would strongly consider it. Frankly, thinking more deeply about whether the HGC is the right fit is a waste of time until you have an admit letter. Do it quickly. Deadline is November 8th.


Back again. My child (the third grader discussed above) is in all of the highest groups and still seems very engaged in school at this point. DC just makes every assignment into a game, almost -- expanding the work with tons of extra detail, sending extra problems back to the teacher, etc. The school hasn't reached out to us, probably for the reasons PP mentioned. We are applying to the HCG, but the numbers from our school seem difficult to surmount (about 40 applied and only 5 were admitted last year).
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:End of 3rd grade. I think 4th grade was 220 (yes, went down) and 236 for Fall but haven't seen from teacher yet. Our school only takes 2-3 and at least 4 others applying were better students. I would have been very surprised if DC would have been accepted over peers. Just being realistic. But that isn't why we didn't apply. DC would have gotten home too late for his travel sports practices and also he can sometimes struggle with behavior. In general, he just didn't want to go to HGC anyway.


Are you at a very small school? 7 kids from our school were accepted last year.


Yes, small school, just over 300 total students.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a child who scored 228 on the MAP-M and 261 on the Map-R this Fall. Our school doesn't seem to be particularly wowed, so I'm assuming these scores aren't that meaningful.


261 is extraordinarly high.


That's 99th percentile for 9th graders. If this is an elementary school student then the score is even more impressive.


Sorry, I should have said my child is a third grader. The school hasn't suggested we do anything special. Should we ask about this?



I would ask the school about it. My child (4th grader - HGC this year) scored very, very high numbers on her tests and I had no idea what the numbers meant until I heard another friend talking about her child's scores. I don't think the schools like to give parent a lot of info about the meaning of the scores (b/c they think the parents will expect or demand more enrichment). If your child is scoring high numbers, you should discuss that with your child's teacher.

Be aware, however, that the teachers will likely have a "party line" speech about how the scores are only one factor in a child's education etc. While I agree that this is true, I was blown away to discover that, as a 3rd grader, my DD scored in the 99th percentile for a high school student! I think a parent should know that information so that they can make sure their child is being adequately challenged. Good luck to you.


This. The school is not saying anything to you, because they don't want to and really aren't capable of doing anything to educate your child at his/her level. Make sure he/she is in top reading group, and on the accelerated math track, but know that you might have to provide more opportunity for challenge at home and deal with boredom, anxiety or bad behavior at school because of mismatch between cognitive ability and level of challenge in class.

Definitely apply to the HGC, if accepted go to the Open House and ask a lot of questions. If it fits the family, I would strongly consider it. Frankly, thinking more deeply about whether the HGC is the right fit is a waste of time until you have an admit letter. Do it quickly. Deadline is November 8th.


261 is incredibly high for a third grader - my kid has the same score and she is in 6th grade (n a magnet program). Your child is unlikely to get the challenge and peer group he or she needs at your elementary school, so I would definitely apply to the HGC - plenty of time to make a decision come the Spring. It is a very easy application and the test is no big deal for these kids who are constantly being tested!

One thing I have always wondered about is whether you can compare the ES and MS scores - I know it is an out of level test but I think I remember reading somewhere that they give the ES and MS kids different tests.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a child who scored 228 on the MAP-M and 261 on the Map-R this Fall. Our school doesn't seem to be particularly wowed, so I'm assuming these scores aren't that meaningful.


261 is extraordinarly high.


That's 99th percentile for 9th graders. If this is an elementary school student then the score is even more impressive.


Sorry, I should have said my child is a third grader. The school hasn't suggested we do anything special. Should we ask about this?



I would ask the school about it. My child (4th grader - HGC this year) scored very, very high numbers on her tests and I had no idea what the numbers meant until I heard another friend talking about her child's scores. I don't think the schools like to give parent a lot of info about the meaning of the scores (b/c they think the parents will expect or demand more enrichment). If your child is scoring high numbers, you should discuss that with your child's teacher.

Be aware, however, that the teachers will likely have a "party line" speech about how the scores are only one factor in a child's education etc. While I agree that this is true, I was blown away to discover that, as a 3rd grader, my DD scored in the 99th percentile for a high school student! I think a parent should know that information so that they can make sure their child is being adequately challenged. Good luck to you.


This. The school is not saying anything to you, because they don't want to and really aren't capable of doing anything to educate your child at his/her level. Make sure he/she is in top reading group, and on the accelerated math track, but know that you might have to provide more opportunity for challenge at home and deal with boredom, anxiety or bad behavior at school because of mismatch between cognitive ability and level of challenge in class.

Definitely apply to the HGC, if accepted go to the Open House and ask a lot of questions. If it fits the family, I would strongly consider it. Frankly, thinking more deeply about whether the HGC is the right fit is a waste of time until you have an admit letter. Do it quickly. Deadline is November 8th.


261 is incredibly high for a third grader - my kid has the same score and she is in 6th grade (n a magnet program). Your child is unlikely to get the challenge and peer group he or she needs at your elementary school, so I would definitely apply to the HGC - plenty of time to make a decision come the Spring. It is a very easy application and the test is no big deal for these kids who are constantly being tested!

One thing I have always wondered about is whether you can compare the ES and MS scores - I know it is an out of level test but I think I remember reading somewhere that they give the ES and MS kids different tests.


ES and MS MAP scores CAN be directly compared - in fact, that is the entire point of MAP testing. It is the ONLY MCPS test that can be compared year over year for the entire school career to track progress over time. It is a computerized test with a huge pool of questions that are given to the student on the basis of self-adjusting difficulty. Get a question right and the next one is harder. Get a question wrong and the next is easier. So, in that sense it is never "the same test.". But, it is comparable year over year in terms of scaled scores and percentiles, much like the GRE or LSAT are not "the same test" from administration to administration, but are still comparable year over year.
Anonymous
Where are you all getting the scores from? I haven't received my kid's scores and the teacher said she doesn't have them yet.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Where are you all getting the scores from? I haven't received my kid's scores and the teacher said she doesn't have them yet.


It's the end of October. Ask specifically if your child has taken the MAP yet. (In fact, ask your child as well as your teacher, your child will likely know what they were doing.) MAP scores are available immediately upon completion of the exam. If your child has taken the MAP, you have asked the teacher for the scores and the teacher can't or won't provide them, write a polite letter to the principal stating that your child has taken the MAP test and you would like a copy of the test results as per your rights under FERPA. (This is the Federal Educational Rights and Privacy Act, which entitles you to a copy or to view any of your child's "educational record"s -- basically anything with your child's name on it.)

Schools have these, and they can't refuse to provide the data if you request it.
Anonymous
They definitaly took MAP for both Reading and Math by now. It is supposed to be given by the 3rd week of September as a Fall MAP, which the county requires.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a child who scored 228 on the MAP-M and 261 on the Map-R this Fall. Our school doesn't seem to be particularly wowed, so I'm assuming these scores aren't that meaningful.


261 is extraordinarly high.


That's 99th percentile for 9th graders. If this is an elementary school student then the score is even more impressive.


Sorry, I should have said my child is a third grader. The school hasn't suggested we do anything special. Should we ask about this?



I would ask the school about it. My child (4th grader - HGC this year) scored very, very high numbers on her tests and I had no idea what the numbers meant until I heard another friend talking about her child's scores. I don't think the schools like to give parent a lot of info about the meaning of the scores (b/c they think the parents will expect or demand more enrichment). If your child is scoring high numbers, you should discuss that with your child's teacher.

Be aware, however, that the teachers will likely have a "party line" speech about how the scores are only one factor in a child's education etc. While I agree that this is true, I was blown away to discover that, as a 3rd grader, my DD scored in the 99th percentile for a high school student! I think a parent should know that information so that they can make sure their child is being adequately challenged. Good luck to you.


This. The school is not saying anything to you, because they don't want to and really aren't capable of doing anything to educate your child at his/her level. Make sure he/she is in top reading group, and on the accelerated math track, but know that you might have to provide more opportunity for challenge at home and deal with boredom, anxiety or bad behavior at school because of mismatch between cognitive ability and level of challenge in class.

Definitely apply to the HGC, if accepted go to the Open House and ask a lot of questions. If it fits the family, I would strongly consider it. Frankly, thinking more deeply about whether the HGC is the right fit is a waste of time until you have an admit letter. Do it quickly. Deadline is November 8th.


261 is incredibly high for a third grader - my kid has the same score and she is in 6th grade (n a magnet program). Your child is unlikely to get the challenge and peer group he or she needs at your elementary school, so I would definitely apply to the HGC - plenty of time to make a decision come the Spring. It is a very easy application and the test is no big deal for these kids who are constantly being tested!

One thing I have always wondered about is whether you can compare the ES and MS scores - I know it is an out of level test but I think I remember reading somewhere that they give the ES and MS kids different tests.


ES and MS MAP scores CAN be directly compared - in fact, that is the entire point of MAP testing. It is the ONLY MCPS test that can be compared year over year for the entire school career to track progress over time. It is a computerized test with a huge pool of questions that are given to the student on the basis of self-adjusting difficulty. Get a question right and the next one is harder. Get a question wrong and the next is easier. So, in that sense it is never "the same test.". But, it is comparable year over year in terms of scaled scores and percentiles, much like the GRE or LSAT are not "the same test" from administration to administration, but are still comparable year over year.

That is very informative - I had read somewhere that they have a different set of questions for ES and MS but what you say makes sense.
Anonymous
What grades do they do MAP testing? Do kindergartners get tested as well?
Anonymous
My kids always remember their scores. My DD's second grade teacher recently wrote down her score and her 1st grade score on MAP-P for us to see.
Anonymous
My 3rd grader brough home his score from MAP R test he took in the fall. The score was on a form letter from the principal. The thing I found odd is that they listed the proficient and advanced benchmarks for the spring of 3rd grade, but the scores were for the test taken in the fall of 3rd grade. I'm not sure if this was a mistake in the letter from our particular school, or if this was done intentionally by MCPS.
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