Lap children and Asiana crash

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?

Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.

When you regularly fly internationally - long haul - it's too expensive. Life is full of risks. That one we're willing to take.

We fly long haul internationally regularly. No way, am I having a lap baby through that -- plus, you still get charged a % of the ticket even for lap babies.

Well, obviously, we have different financial situations!

Or, if you cannot afford a seat for your kid you do not go.

[Anonymous]

So are all you lap-seaters making the argument that your arms can safely hold a child in unexpected, violent movements of the plane? So why put them in a car seat in a car if carrying a kid in your arms is safe?

Apples and oranges. Air travel is safer than cars in general, but children can become projectiles in a bad situation. The FAA may allow lap children, but they don't recommend it at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So are all you lap-seaters making the argument that your arms can safely hold a child in unexpected, violent movements of the plane? So why put them in a car seat in a car if carrying a kid in your arms is safe?

Apples and oranges. Air travel is safer than cars in general, but children can become projectiles in a bad situation. The FAA may allow lap children, but they don't recommend it at all.

People aren't making that argument. People are arguing that the kind of situations where a child would be protected on a plane, are incredibly rare, and that a child in arms in a plane is still far safer than a child in a carseat in a car.

There are lots of safety devices that people use in high risk situations that they don't use in lower risk situations. I make my child wear risk guards when he skateboards. I don't make the same child wear wristguards while playing golf. Is it possible that he could trip and fall while crossing a concrete path at the golf course? Yes, but the likelihood is far far lower, so I make a calculation of risk that works for us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So are all you lap-seaters making the argument that your arms can safely hold a child in unexpected, violent movements of the plane? So why put them in a car seat in a car if carrying a kid in your arms is safe?

Apples and oranges. Air travel is safer than cars in general, but children can become projectiles in a bad situation. The FAA may allow lap children, but they don't recommend it at all.

Many of them probably don't have their kids in proper car seats and booster at 2-3.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So are all you lap-seaters making the argument that your arms can safely hold a child in unexpected, violent movements of the plane? So why put them in a car seat in a car if carrying a kid in your arms is safe?

Apples and oranges. Air travel is safer than cars in general, but children can become projectiles in a bad situation. The FAA may allow lap children, but they don't recommend it at all.

People aren't making that argument. People are arguing that the kind of situations where a child would be protected on a plane, are incredibly rare, and that a child in arms in a plane is still far safer than a child in a carseat in a car.

There are lots of safety devices that people use in high risk situations that they don't use in lower risk situations. I make my child wear risk guards when he skateboards. I don't make the same child wear wristguards while playing golf. Is it possible that he could trip and fall while crossing a concrete path at the golf course? Yes, but the likelihood is far far lower, so I make a calculation of risk that works for us.

Only a moron would equate skateboarding and golf to each other or think that it was an appropriate analogy for a car vs. Plane debate.

Choose cheapness over safety if you want but don't justify it in such moronic ways. Just say you are cheap and move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So are all you lap-seaters making the argument that your arms can safely hold a child in unexpected, violent movements of the plane? So why put them in a car seat in a car if carrying a kid in your arms is safe?

Apples and oranges. Air travel is safer than cars in general, but children can become projectiles in a bad situation. The FAA may allow lap children, but they don't recommend it at all.

Your child would be safer if she wore a helmet at all times. There is always a risk of head injury from accidents, falls, objects falling. Do you have her wear a helmet at all times to minimize that risk or do you take that risk that you won't protect her head at all times from head injuries even though you could?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So are all you lap-seaters making the argument that your arms can safely hold a child in unexpected, violent movements of the plane? So why put them in a car seat in a car if carrying a kid in your arms is safe?

Apples and oranges. Air travel is safer than cars in general, but children can become projectiles in a bad situation. The FAA may allow lap children, but they don't recommend it at all.

Many of them probably don't have their kids in proper car seats and booster at 2-3.

Oh please, that's a lame comment.

As others have stated, the risk of being in an airplane crash or encountering such bad turbulence is low, much lower than being in a car crash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?

Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.

Why would you tell people to drive when it so much more dangerous than travelling on an airplane in a parent's lap?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?

Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.

When you regularly fly internationally - long haul - it's too expensive. Life is full of risks. That one we're willing to take.

Then stop flying internationally so much. Parenting is full of sacrifices--maybe for you one of those sacrifices should be your fabulous jet-setter lifestyle.

Ha ha ... so don't see my mom, dad, brothers, nieces, nephews, etc. in Australia! Thanks, but keep your advice to yourself!

And won't it be wonderful to see them all at your kid's funeral some day? I'm not giving advice, must making a commentary on a horrific situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?

Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.

When you regularly fly internationally - long haul - it's too expensive. Life is full of risks. That one we're willing to take.

Then stop flying internationally so much. Parenting is full of sacrifices--maybe for you one of those sacrifices should be your fabulous jet-setter lifestyle.

Ha ha ... so don't see my mom, dad, brothers, nieces, nephews, etc. in Australia! Thanks, but keep your advice to yourself!

And won't it be wonderful to see them all at your kid's funeral some day? I'm not giving advice, must making a commentary on a horrific situation.

What is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?

Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.

Why would you tell people to drive when it so much more dangerous than travelling on an airplane in a parent's lap?

Because when your number is truly up, it's up. There's no 100% safe travel mode. But any injury to a lap-child on a non-crashed plane was entirely preventable. That's why those of us tell you to buy a seat say that. Stupid injuries make us angry, and it's not us or you that suffers - its your kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?

Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.

Why would you tell people to drive when it so much more dangerous than travelling on an airplane in a parent's lap?

Because when your number is truly up, it's up. There's no 100% safe travel mode. But any injury to a lap-child on a non-crashed plane was entirely preventable. That's why those of us tell you to buy a seat say that. Stupid injuries make us angry, and it's not us or you that suffers - its your kid.

And find the last time it happened. It's a made-up worry. Not something to give two seconds thought to in real life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?

Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.

Why would you tell people to drive when it so much more dangerous than travelling on an airplane in a parent's lap?

Because when your number is truly up, it's up. There's no 100% safe travel mode. But any injury to a lap-child on a non-crashed plane was entirely preventable. That's why those of us tell you to buy a seat say that. Stupid injuries make us angry, and it's not us or you that suffers - its your kid.

And find the last time it happened. It's a made-up worry. Not something to give two seconds thought to in real life.

Have you ever been on a plane where it hit clear air turbulence and they had to bring people off on stretchers? I have. It went from uneventful calm to a nose dive in no time -- we were completely disoriented. We got lucky that there were no lap kids on that flight -- all the kids were in seats and strapped in. You keep telling yourself that your reflexes are fast and that you will have warning time when something goes south.

[Anonymous]

Are you guys talking about that air plane crash in San Francisco a couple of months ago? There was a 18m old lap baby who survived just fine. I read at the time that his father noticed something was wrong and made sure to hod his baby very tight.

If you are interested in the full story, I am sure you can find something on Google.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?

Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.

Why would you tell people to drive when it so much more dangerous than travelling on an airplane in a parent's lap?

Because when your number is truly up, it's up. There's no 100% safe travel mode. But any injury to a lap-child on a non-crashed plane was entirely preventable. That's why those of us tell you to buy a seat say that. Stupid injuries make us angry, and it's not us or you that suffers - its your kid.

Let me see if I understand the logic. A family has a choice between 4 modes of transportation, which I'll list in order of safety: 1) Plane with a carseat, 2) Plane without a carseat, 3) Car with a carseat and 4) Car without a carseat, If they choose #2 and something tragic happens, the tragedy was "entirely preventable" and "stupid", because they had a safer option available to them. However, if they choose #3, which is far less safe than #2 and something happens it's because their number was "truly up", and they are absolved of all blame.

I do not follow your logic, at all, but then I'm the moron who compares golf to skateboarding, so what do I know.

I'll also add, that my kid only flew once under 2, and flew in his carseat. Because it was within the budget at the time.