Compacted 4/5 math: Post your school and how it's being handled

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With regard to CCES HGC, what does 3 levels in one group mean?

I assume it means high, medium and low groups within the compacted 4/5 curriculum to accommodate how quickly/slowly the kids are progressing.

Does this mean the compacted class is all HGC kids? I know that many kids (approx. 1-2 classes at least, maybe more) at RHPS, the feeder school to CCES, were accelerated by 1 or more years in 2nd grade and then de-accelerated when they got to CCES. A number of CCES parents were not happy with how 3rd grade math went, and I know for a fact that a number of students who were not accepted into the HGC were "invited" to do the compacted curriculum. What happened to these non-HGC CCES kids who were invited to the compacted math class? Are they all mixed together with those HGC kids that are on the compacted path now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With regard to CCES HGC, what does 3 levels in one group mean?

I assume it means high, medium and low groups within the compacted 4/5 curriculum to accommodate how quickly/slowly the kids are progressing.

Does this mean the compacted class is all HGC kids? I know that many kids (approx. 1-2 classes at least, maybe more) at RHPS, the feeder school to CCES, were accelerated by 1 or more years in 2nd grade and then de-accelerated when they got to CCES. A number of CCES parents were not happy with how 3rd grade math went, and I know for a fact that a number of students who were not accepted into the HGC were "invited" to do the compacted curriculum. What happened to these non-HGC CCES kids who were invited to the compacted math class? Are they all mixed together with those HGC kids that are on the compacted path now?

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[Anonymous]

No. There is a compacted 4/5 HGC and also a compacted 4/5 for 4th graders at CCES who are not part of the HGC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. There is a compacted 4/5 HGC and also a compacted 4/5 for 4th graders at CCES who are not part of the HGC.

We were told at back to school night that non-HGC kids do go to the 4/5 math class with HGC students. Maybe there is another class as well.

[Anonymous]

I find it interesting that at my childs ES there are less then 5 kids who qualify for the compacted 4/5 math and will ride a bus to the middle school for math. However some of the schools - ex. caderock - has entire classes (20-25 kids) who qualified for the program and so they have a teacher who will come to the school. Was the testing or qualifications so different in each school? why 3 kids in my school and 25 in another? These tests/qualifications should be the same county wide.

[Anonymous]

Testing is supposed to be the same countywide. But the schools preselect who is tested. This is why I bet MCPS will move to testing everyone eventually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that at my childs ES there are less then 5 kids who qualify for the compacted 4/5 math and will ride a bus to the middle school for math. However some of the schools - ex. caderock - has entire classes (20-25 kids) who qualified for the program and so they have a teacher who will come to the school. Was the testing or qualifications so different in each school? why 3 kids in my school and 25 in another? These tests/qualifications should be the same county wide.

Perhaps the one school simply has a lot more kids advanced in math. Happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With regard to CCES HGC, what does 3 levels in one group mean?

I assume it means high, medium and low groups within the compacted 4/5 curriculum to accommodate how quickly/slowly the kids are progressing.

Really ???? I don't think so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that at my childs ES there are less then 5 kids who qualify for the compacted 4/5 math and will ride a bus to the middle school for math. However some of the schools - ex. caderock - has entire classes (20-25 kids) who qualified for the program and so they have a teacher who will come to the school. Was the testing or qualifications so different in each school? why 3 kids in my school and 25 in another? These tests/qualifications should be the same county wide.

Perhaps the one school simply has a lot more kids advanced in math. Happens.

I think there can be other explanations why some school has entire classes of students for compacted 4/5 math BESIDES - 1) difference in how the math curriculum is taught, 2) difference in how kids are tested and evaluated or 3) happy coincidence that some area codes have greater number of kids who are good in Math.

Most of these kids in compacted Math are not relying on what MCPS is teaching them at school alone. They are being taught at home by parents, summer camps, other enrichment courses, online math lessons etc.

We have to acknowledge that there is a parallel system of education in MCPS and most high achievers are getting their edge by learning from outside MCPS sources. A school that has more students advanced in math does not happen by itself...also look at the household income, level of parents education and race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With regard to CCES HGC, what does 3 levels in one group mean?

I assume it means high, medium and low groups within the compacted 4/5 curriculum to accommodate how quickly/slowly the kids are progressing.

Really ???? I don't think so.

That is how the teacher described it. Teacher specifically said that some kids will pick up a concept more quickly and others will need more time. She'll have different mini-groups within the class to address this. She described them as "fluid" so that once a kid is ready for more, they'll move to the quicker group and if they need more attention/repetition to grasp the concept, they'll move to the slower moving group. Makes sense to me. If you disagree or interpreted it differently, what do you think it means?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With regard to CCES HGC, what does 3 levels in one group mean?

I assume it means high, medium and low groups within the compacted 4/5 curriculum to accommodate how quickly/slowly the kids are progressing.

Really ???? I don't think so.

That is how the teacher described it. Teacher specifically said that some kids will pick up a concept more quickly and others will need more time. She'll have different mini-groups within the class to address this. She described them as "fluid" so that once a kid is ready for more, they'll move to the quicker group and if they need more attention/repetition to grasp the concept, they'll move to the slower moving group. Makes sense to me. If you disagree or interpreted it differently, what do you think it means?

My understanding is, a current 4th grader can be in either 4th grade math, or 4/5 compact math. No other differentiation. Is your teacher teaching 4th grade math, or 4/5 compact math?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that at my childs ES there are less then 5 kids who qualify for the compacted 4/5 math and will ride a bus to the middle school for math. However some of the schools - ex. caderock - has entire classes (20-25 kids) who qualified for the program and so they have a teacher who will come to the school. Was the testing or qualifications so different in each school? why 3 kids in my school and 25 in another? These tests/qualifications should be the same county wide.

Perhaps the one school simply has a lot more kids advanced in math. Happens.

I think there can be other explanations why some school has entire classes of students for compacted 4/5 math BESIDES - 1) difference in how the math curriculum is taught, 2) difference in how kids are tested and evaluated or 3) happy coincidence that some area codes have greater number of kids who are good in Math.

Most of these kids in compacted Math are not relying on what MCPS is teaching them at school alone. They are being taught at home by parents, summer camps, other enrichment courses, online math lessons etc.
We have to acknowledge that there is a parallel system of education in MCPS and most high achievers are getting their edge by learning from outside MCPS sources. A school that has more students advanced in math does not happen by itself...also look at the household income, level of parents education and race.

Bingo. This is absolutely true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that at my childs ES there are less then 5 kids who qualify for the compacted 4/5 math and will ride a bus to the middle school for math. However some of the schools - ex. caderock - has entire classes (20-25 kids) who qualified for the program and so they have a teacher who will come to the school. Was the testing or qualifications so different in each school? why 3 kids in my school and 25 in another? These tests/qualifications should be the same county wide.

Perhaps the one school simply has a lot more kids advanced in math. Happens.

I think there can be other explanations why some school has entire classes of students for compacted 4/5 math BESIDES - 1) difference in how the math curriculum is taught, 2) difference in how kids are tested and evaluated or 3) happy coincidence that some area codes have greater number of kids who are good in Math.

Most of these kids in compacted Math are not relying on what MCPS is teaching them at school alone. They are being taught at home by parents, summer camps, other enrichment courses, online math lessons etc.
We have to acknowledge that there is a parallel system of education in MCPS and most high achievers are getting their edge by learning from outside MCPS sources. A school that has more students advanced in math does not happen by itself...also look at the household income, level of parents education and race.

Bingo. This is absolutely true.

Disagree on this point. Some kids just seem to get math concepts more quickly, bottom line. My kid in compacted math does not get extra supplementation, I know other families like this as well.

[Anonymous]

My child id staking 6th grade algebra and we have never done more than assigned homework..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With regard to CCES HGC, what does 3 levels in one group mean?

I assume it means high, medium and low groups within the compacted 4/5 curriculum to accommodate how quickly/slowly the kids are progressing.

Really ???? I don't think so.

That is how the teacher described it. Teacher specifically said that some kids will pick up a concept more quickly and others will need more time. She'll have different mini-groups within the class to address this. She described them as "fluid" so that once a kid is ready for more, they'll move to the quicker group and if they need more attention/repetition to grasp the concept, they'll move to the slower moving group. Makes sense to me. If you disagree or interpreted it differently, what do you think it means?

My understanding is, a current 4th grader can be in either 4th grade math, or 4/5 compact math. No other differentiation. Is your teacher teaching 4th grade math, or 4/5 compact math?

It is 4/5 compacted. 3groups of differentiation within that class. Makes sense to me. Also a kid who has never been supplemented at home or elsewhere for math.