"God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child with cancer. How is that caused by anyone's free will? So what happens, that piece of crap-tastic life experience is handed out just so someone can say God will bring them through it?

I don't buy it. Someone certainly hands out more than a lot of people can handle, and it isn't all caused by another human being.

I won't try and debate you but I can tell when someone has not read scripture and goes by emotion and feelings. The earth and its people were corrupted by the initial sin by Adam and Eve and everything since then has been corruptible from emotions, intellect, physical.

Whether you buy into scripture or not, that's up to you but anyone who has ever read and studied will understand what I'm talking about. We all deal with the emotional aspect of your example of a child with cancer. But since you have already decided that scripture is something you will not buy nor read nor study, then no one here will be able to answer your question from a non-spiritual view, only a self-conceived answer and there will be plenty of those in differing opinion. Spiritually based posters are on the same wavelength, and that's because our answers are derived from scripture. No other explanation is plausible for us. It is by choice just as it is for an atheist, Buddhist, Islam, Hindu, Judaism.

Your decision of what you believe (or not believe) was made long before you posted here.

OP here. I don't really understand this post. I don't relate to the idea of original sin, sorry. I'm not trying to be disrepectful to your views, but I don't believe that any religious person or spiritual person will relate to this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child with cancer. How is that caused by anyone's free will? So what happens, that piece of crap-tastic life experience is handed out just so someone can say God will bring them through it?

I don't buy it. Someone certainly hands out more than a lot of people can handle, and it isn't all caused by another human being.

I won't try and debate you but I can tell when someone has not read scripture and goes by emotion and feelings. The earth and its people were corrupted by the initial sin by Adam and Eve and everything since then has been corruptible from emotions, intellect, physical.

Whether you buy into scripture or not, that's up to you but anyone who has ever read and studied will understand what I'm talking about. We all deal with the emotional aspect of your example of a child with cancer. But since you have already decided that scripture is something you will not buy nor read nor study, then no one here will be able to answer your question from a non-spiritual view, only a self-conceived answer and there will be plenty of those in differing opinion. Spiritually based posters are on the same wavelength, and that's because our answers are derived from scripture. No other explanation is plausible for us. It is by choice just as it is for an atheist, Buddhist, Islam, Hindu, Judaism.

Your decision of what you believe (or not believe) was made long before you posted here.

OP here. I don't really understand this post. I don't relate to the idea of original sin, sorry. I'm not trying to be disrepectful to your views, but I don't believe that any religious person or spiritual person will relate to this.

I don't take it as being disrespectful, not at all. However, if you are not familiar with the bible then, yes, you won't understand my post. And a person who does understand the bible WILL relate. It's about what you understand and what you believe as a Christian. There are certain tenets of the bible that cannot be changed by debate. However, I have debates about the age of the earth which I believe is far, far older than a mere 6000 years, and I justify that by the words 'In the beginning' which does not define time by our definitions AND I believe in science. Let's save that for another thread.

But there are biblical tenets that define concrete biblical beliefs and that won't be changed regardless of what I or you believe. If you don't relate to the idea of original sin (I remember that from attending 12 years of parochial school, now non-denominational attendee), then you are most certainly entitled to your belief. And I'm most definitely fine with that.

If you want to debate, I'm all for it. But just as I will accept your opinion that YOU don't believe doesn't mean that WE, who find solace in the Word, are wrong, dumb, or grasping straws. You are entitled to your beliefs as we are.

Your question is answered by believers and non-believers. Take what you will from both if you so desire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child with cancer. How is that caused by anyone's free will? So what happens, that piece of crap-tastic life experience is handed out just so someone can say God will bring them through it?

I don't buy it. Someone certainly hands out more than a lot of people can handle, and it isn't all caused by another human being.

I won't try and debate you but I can tell when someone has not read scripture and goes by emotion and feelings. The earth and its people were corrupted by the initial sin by Adam and Eve and everything since then has been corruptible from emotions, intellect, physical.

Whether you buy into scripture or not, that's up to you but anyone who has ever read and studied will understand what I'm talking about. We all deal with the emotional aspect of your example of a child with cancer. But since you have already decided that scripture is something you will not buy nor read nor study, then no one here will be able to answer your question from a non-spiritual view, only a self-conceived answer and there will be plenty of those in differing opinion. Spiritually based posters are on the same wavelength, and that's because our answers are derived from scripture. No other explanation is plausible for us. It is by choice just as it is for an atheist, Buddhist, Islam, Hindu, Judaism.

Your decision of what you believe (or not believe) was made long before you posted here.

OP here. I don't really understand this post. I don't relate to the idea of original sin, sorry. I'm not trying to be disrepectful to your views, but I don't believe that any religious person or spiritual person will relate to this.

13:45 again. I truly and sincerely hope you find the answers you seek. You ask an honest question from your perspective, most definitely. Best to you. Take care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child with cancer. How is that caused by anyone's free will? So what happens, that piece of crap-tastic life experience is handed out just so someone can say God will bring them through it?

I don't buy it. Someone certainly hands out more than a lot of people can handle, and it isn't all caused by another human being.

I won't try and debate you but I can tell when someone has not read scripture and goes by emotion and feelings. The earth and its people were corrupted by the initial sin by Adam and Eve and everything since then has been corruptible from emotions, intellect, physical.

Whether you buy into scripture or not, that's up to you but anyone who has ever read and studied will understand what I'm talking about. We all deal with the emotional aspect of your example of a child with cancer. But since you have already decided that scripture is something you will not buy nor read nor study, then no one here will be able to answer your question from a non-spiritual view, only a self-conceived answer and there will be plenty of those in differing opinion. Spiritually based posters are on the same wavelength, and that's because our answers are derived from scripture. No other explanation is plausible for us. It is by choice just as it is for an atheist, Buddhist, Islam, Hindu, Judaism.

Your decision of what you believe (or not believe) was made long before you posted here.

OP here. I don't really understand this post. I don't relate to the idea of original sin, sorry. I'm not trying to be disrepectful to your views, but I don't believe that any religious person or spiritual person will relate to this.

I am a Christian and I Completely understand what the pp is saying. Original sin opened up the world to evil/ bad things happening whether by others' free will or just by chance-such as a child dying fom cancer. This is not to say that, even as a christin, I not struggle with this, because I do. I do however get that God does not cause suffering but that humans allowed evil into the world. Now, if you do not believe the bible, you will not accept the explanation but, since this is the religious foum, I am assuming you want "religious" answers.

[Anonymous]

takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a platitude, not a tenet of the religion. It's a saying designed to help someone in trying times bear with the current difficulties, but it isn't indoctrinated into the religion.

Think of it in the same vein as the non-religious sayings "It's always darkest before the storm" "There's no place to go from here but up" and "It was meant to be"

Not to make a fuss over a typo, but I'll take the opportunity for a bit of propaganda: If PP had chosen to sign in rather than posting anonymously, s/he could have gone back and corrected that "darkest before the storm" as soon as s/he recalled that darkness comes before the dawn and calm before the storm.

This posting is an example of that other famous saying: "If you make a mistake on DCUM, there's sure to be a shmuck who'll nitpick it".

Yes, sorry. I was working on three system installs and posting in the wait time for software loads. So, I was posting in Yogi Berra mode.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child with cancer. How is that caused by anyone's free will? So what happens, that piece of crap-tastic life experience is handed out just so someone can say God will bring them through it?

I don't buy it. Someone certainly hands out more than a lot of people can handle, and it isn't all caused by another human being.

I won't try and debate you but I can tell when someone has not read scripture and goes by emotion and feelings. The earth and its people were corrupted by the initial sin by Adam and Eve and everything since then has been corruptible from emotions, intellect, physical.

Whether you buy into scripture or not, that's up to you but anyone who has ever read and studied will understand what I'm talking about. We all deal with the emotional aspect of your example of a child with cancer. But since you have already decided that scripture is something you will not buy nor read nor study, then no one here will be able to answer your question from a non-spiritual view, only a self-conceived answer and there will be plenty of those in differing opinion. Spiritually based posters are on the same wavelength, and that's because our answers are derived from scripture. No other explanation is plausible for us. It is by choice just as it is for an atheist, Buddhist, Islam, Hindu, Judaism.

Your decision of what you believe (or not believe) was made long before you posted here.

OP here. I don't really understand this post. I don't relate to the idea of original sin, sorry. I'm not trying to be disrepectful to your views, but I don't believe that any religious person or spiritual person will relate to this.

I am a Christian and I Completely understand what the pp is saying. Original sin opened up the world to evil/ bad things happening whether by others' free will or just by chance-such as a child dying fom cancer. This is not to say that, even as a christin, I not struggle with this, because I do. I do however get that God does not cause suffering but that humans allowed evil into the world. Now, if you do not believe the bible, you will not accept the explanation but, since this is the religious foum, I am assuming you want "religious" answers.

This is what I believe also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a platitude, not a tenet of the religion. It's a saying designed to help someone in trying times bear with the current difficulties, but it isn't indoctrinated into the religion.

Think of it in the same vein as the non-religious sayings "It's always darkest before the storm" "There's no place to go from here but up" and "It was meant to be"

When tragedy strikes, there's nothing people like to hear more than empty platitudes and cliches. Sayings like the above are crutches for the consoler to get them out of an awkward situation, and do nothing for the consolee.

[Anonymous]

There are times I would like to go back to believing that things in life are God's will, and He will provide a person with what is needed to get through. The question I always come back to though is, are humans to suffer an eternity because of Original Sin? I have issues with that.

I've been told by some very religious members of my former church that illness is a gift from God, meant to bring the person closer to him through their faith. "God doesn't give you more than you can handle" is something I've been told time and again. I'm not sure it resonates with me anymore.

[Anonymous]

I hate the saying "God doesn't give you more than you can handle" because it implies YOU have a role. To mother whose child just died of cancer, would you say "Hey, if you were a weaker person and unable to handle the stress of watching your child die, that wouldn't have happened" ? The saying implies that only "strong" people will have shitty things happen to them?

It's insulting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate the saying "God doesn't give you more than you can handle" because it implies YOU have a role. To mother whose child just died of cancer, would you say "Hey, if you were a weaker person and unable to handle the stress of watching your child die, that wouldn't have happened" ? The saying implies that only "strong" people will have shitty things happen to them?

It's insulting.

Yes, it is insulting, very much so. And, no, you do not have the mind of God saying it implies only strong people have crappy things happen to them. That is your very own interpretation of God's words, let's be clear about that to other posters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."

Tell that to Job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a platitude, not a tenet of the religion. It's a saying designed to help someone in trying times bear with the current difficulties, but it isn't indoctrinated into the religion.

Think of it in the same vein as the non-religious sayings "It's always darkest before the storm" "There's no place to go from here but up" and "It was meant to be"

Not to make a fuss over a typo, but I'll take the opportunity for a bit of propaganda: If PP had chosen to sign in rather than posting anonymously, s/he could have gone back and corrected that "darkest before the storm" as soon as s/he recalled that darkness comes before the dawn and calm before the storm.

This posting is an example of that other famous saying: "If you make a mistake on DCUM, there's sure to be a shmuck who'll nitpick it".

Yes, sorry. I was working on three system installs and posting in the wait time for software loads. So, I was posting in Yogi Berra mode.

I have to say, I really like "It's always darkest before the storm." I'm going to start saying it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I won't try and debate you but I can tell when someone has not read scripture and goes by emotion and feelings. The earth and its people were corrupted by the initial sin by Adam and Eve and everything since then has been corruptible from emotions, intellect, physical.
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If you want to debate, I'm all for it. But just as I will accept your opinion that YOU don't believe doesn't mean that WE, who find solace in the Word, are wrong, dumb, or grasping straws. You are entitled to your beliefs as we are.

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I'll bite, and please don't think that I have any view that you're necessarily wrong, dumb, etc. I'm interested in how people integrate the sorts of beliefs you cite into their understanding of the world. So let's start here: You equate human suffering with evil, and you believe evil was unleashed to the world by original sin. So let's figure out what you mean by evil. Cancer is simply a disease involving corruption of dna, and other natural events like hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, and even ordinary infections and accidents can cause great suffering. Are these things evil? Is it your view that without original sin, there would be no cancer, earthquakes, fires, infections, or accidents?

[Anonymous]

takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a platitude, not a tenet of the religion. It's a saying designed to help someone in trying times bear with the current difficulties, but it isn't indoctrinated into the religion.

Think of it in the same vein as the non-religious sayings "It's always darkest before the storm" "There's no place to go from here but up" and "It was meant to be"

Not to make a fuss over a typo, but I'll take the opportunity for a bit of propaganda: If PP had chosen to sign in rather than posting anonymously, s/he could have gone back and corrected that "darkest before the storm" as soon as s/he recalled that darkness comes before the dawn and calm before the storm.

This posting is an example of that other famous saying: "If you make a mistake on DCUM, there's sure to be a shmuck who'll nitpick it".

I have corrected my anonymous typos on DCUM many times. What is your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."

Tell that to Job.

1) God allowed Satan to do that -- God did not do it

2) That was the old Testament -- when we were under the curse -- After Christ - we are under the Blood
that was why Christ was sent.
God says 'never to turn my face to you in wrath again