if the shorts get any shorter, they will be belts! What control can/should a parent have here?

[Anonymous]

It's really hard to find shorts that aren't really short once you start hving to buy women's/juniors sizes.

DD wears bike shorts/spandex under her shorter shorts so that she can meet the school's fingertip length requirement. Seems like a good compromise to me.

[Anonymous]

My house, my rules. As long as they are under my roof, they will dress appropriately. No butt cheeks or boy equivalent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen more teen girls' butt cheeks than I care to count. I think it's nasty and will try to prevent my daughter from dressing like a skank in her teen years.

Do you believe that a woman's dignity and worth depends on the clothes she wears? Then you're using the right approach.

Don't be a femi-nazi jackass... We're talking about 13yo walking around with their butt cheeks hanging out.

OK. Do you believe that a 13-year-old girl's dignity and worth depend on the clothes she wears?

Partly, yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My house, my rules. As long as they are under my roof, they will dress appropriately. No butt cheeks or boy equivalent.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen more teen girls' butt cheeks than I care to count. I think it's nasty and will try to prevent my daughter from dressing like a skank in her teen years.

Do you believe that a woman's dignity and worth depends on the clothes she wears? Then you're using the right approach.

Don't be a femi-nazi jackass... We're talking about 13yo walking around with their butt cheeks hanging out.

OK. Do you believe that a 13-year-old girl's dignity and worth depend on the clothes she wears?

I think it's quite possible to find extreme short shorts an ugly fashion that one wouldn't want to see on a young girl (or anyone) without getting into any slut shaming. I work at a college and see young women walking around in ridiculously short shorts all the time. Those shorts don't make them less smart or less hard working, but they must hurt a girl's lady parts. And I was wearing those crazy short babydoll dresses in the 90s, and I'm sure people thought I was equally inappropriate. Now I embrace my right as an old lady to say that the clothes kids wear today are weird and ugly.

(and I'm amazed by the number of VERY religiously conservative moms who are super strict about everything, but let their teen daughters wear short shorts in public.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I think it's quite possible to find extreme short shorts an ugly fashion that one wouldn't want to see on a young girl (or anyone) without getting into any slut shaming. I work at a college and see young women walking around in ridiculously short shorts all the time. Those shorts don't make them less smart or less hard working, but they must hurt a girl's lady parts. And I was wearing those crazy short babydoll dresses in the 90s, and I'm sure people thought I was equally inappropriate. Now I embrace my right as an old lady to say that the clothes kids wear today are weird and ugly.

I agree -- "weird and ugly" is not slut-shaming. (And actually, I've thought every fashion since about 1995 has been weird and ugly!) But the OP was not about the OP's neighbor's teenage daughter wearing weird, ugly clothes. The OP was about the OP's neighbor's teenage daughter wearing clothes that will make men to leer, cat-call, and treat her like a slut. (The men don't want to do this! But the clothes will force them to all the same! Because men have no free will!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That butt-check reveal is in fashion this year, but my guess it it'll go out by next year.

As a male, I don't mind the current fashion trend from an eye candy standpoint, as long as the wearers are old enough.

Do you check ID before you ogle?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think it's quite possible to find extreme short shorts an ugly fashion that one wouldn't want to see on a young girl (or anyone) without getting into any slut shaming. I work at a college and see young women walking around in ridiculously short shorts all the time. Those shorts don't make them less smart or less hard working, but they must hurt a girl's lady parts. And I was wearing those crazy short babydoll dresses in the 90s, and I'm sure people thought I was equally inappropriate. Now I embrace my right as an old lady to say that the clothes kids wear today are weird and ugly.

I agree -- "weird and ugly" is not slut-shaming. (And actually, I've thought every fashion since about 1995 has been weird and ugly!) But the OP was not about the OP's neighbor's teenage daughter wearing weird, ugly clothes. The OP was about the OP's neighbor's teenage daughter wearing clothes that will make men to leer, cat-call, and treat her like a slut. (The men don't want to do this! But the clothes will force them to all the same! Because men have no free will!)

Yeah, I went back and read the OP's post and I pretty much agree with you. I was so busy nodding in agreement over the ridiculousness of short shorts that I just glossed over the driving construction workers to catcall business

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think it's quite possible to find extreme short shorts an ugly fashion that one wouldn't want to see on a young girl (or anyone) without getting into any slut shaming. I work at a college and see young women walking around in ridiculously short shorts all the time. Those shorts don't make them less smart or less hard working, but they must hurt a girl's lady parts. And I was wearing those crazy short babydoll dresses in the 90s, and I'm sure people thought I was equally inappropriate. Now I embrace my right as an old lady to say that the clothes kids wear today are weird and ugly.

I agree -- "weird and ugly" is not slut-shaming. (And actually, I've thought every fashion since about 1995 has been weird and ugly!) But the OP was not about the OP's neighbor's teenage daughter wearing weird, ugly clothes. The OP was about the OP's neighbor's teenage daughter wearing clothes that will make men to leer, cat-call, and treat her like a slut. (The men don't want to do this! But the clothes will force them to all the same! Because men have no free will!)

+1 to all of this. I agree that many of the things I see on college campuses (especially tank tops on the guys) are super-weird and ugly. But women and girls need to know how to deal with unwanted male attention, and know that it is not their fault if men behave inappropriately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen more teen girls' butt cheeks than I care to count. I think it's nasty and will try to prevent my daughter from dressing like a skank in her teen years.

Do you believe that a woman's dignity and worth depends on the clothes she wears? Then you're using the right approach.

Don't be a femi-nazi jackass... We're talking about 13yo walking around with their butt cheeks hanging out.

OK. Do you believe that a 13-year-old girl's dignity and worth depend on the clothes she wears?

I don't believe it depends on what she's wearing but I do believe its reflected in what she's wearing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My house, my rules. As long as they are under my roof, they will dress appropriately. No butt cheeks or boy equivalent.

+1

My parents didn't buy my clothes. I bought my own with money I earned, but even then, I wasn't allowed to wear anything too short or too low cut. Ass cheeks hanging out would be a definite "no."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen more teen girls' butt cheeks than I care to count. I think it's nasty and will try to prevent my daughter from dressing like a skank in her teen years.

Do you believe that a woman's dignity and worth depends on the clothes she wears? Then you're using the right approach.

NP.

I'm a feminist. Clothes convey a message. The message that short/short/short shorts conveys is "objectify me" and "I am a sex object." That is not an appropriate message for a 13 year old of any gender.

[Anonymous]

Reality check. A young woman walking down the street in pasties and a g-string will get very different attention than a young girl/woman in a burka. now thise are indeed extremes, but in reality the. Clothes a person wears does indeed draw out certain attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen more teen girls' butt cheeks than I care to count. I think it's nasty and will try to prevent my daughter from dressing like a skank in her teen years.

Do you believe that a woman's dignity and worth depends on the clothes she wears? Then you're using the right approach.

NP.

I'm a feminist. Clothes convey a message. The message that short/short/short shorts conveys is "objectify me" and "I am a sex object." That is not an appropriate message for a 13 year old of any gender.

And those kinds of clothes aren't for a girl's comfort. They're designed to conform her to the expectations of the male gaze. There is nothing "feminist" about them.

[Anonymous]

I was at a party this summer where the teenage daughter of the host and a couple of her friends came through in those shorts and equally revealing tops. Several of the men (her father's age) literally turned their backs to stop from staring.

I'm not into slut shaming, but wearing anything that is so revealing it makes other people uncomfortable seems out of line.