Third grade "basic multiplication and division facts", how basic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12x12 ...division not nessisary

As a teacher I would say that a child who doesn't understand the connection between multilication and division tp the point where he/she wouldn't be able to memorize one set of facts without the other, should not be memorizibg facts to begin with. Using fingers, manipulatives, and mental strategies to figure out facts builds the number sense they are missing.

Timed tests leave no time for number sense. When a child has less than a second to answer and write the answer, no strategy other than straight memorization will work.

Especially when they post every kid's progress on the wall to see.
Is that supposed to be motivating or humiliating?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12x12 ...division not nessisary

As a teacher I would say that a child who doesn't understand the connection between multilication and division tp the point where he/she wouldn't be able to memorize one set of facts without the other, should not be memorizibg facts to begin with. Using fingers, manipulatives, and mental strategies to figure out facts builds the number sense they are missing.

Timed tests leave no time for number sense. When a child has less than a second to answer and write the answer, no strategy other than straight memorization will work.

Especially when they post every kid's progress on the wall to see.
Is that supposed to be motivating or humiliating?

This thread relates to kids going into AAP 3rd grade. For at least the last 15 years and probably forever, they've been expected to learn math facts to 12 before school starts. I've never heard any complaints about it until now. Go figure.

[Anonymous]

Haycock AAP kids are not told to learn them before school starts. Each kids progress is posted on the wall for all to see.

Haycock's graduating 6th graders are also some of the only kids in the county not given a summer math packet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Haycock AAP kids are not told to learn them before school starts. Each kids progress is posted on the wall for all to see.

Haycock's graduating 6th graders are also some of the only kids in the county not given a summer math packet.

Maybe put your kid in gen Ed. No problem there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haycock AAP kids are not told to learn them before school starts. Each kids progress is posted on the wall for all to see.

Haycock's graduating 6th graders are also some of the only kids in the county not given a summer math packet.

Maybe put your kid in gen Ed. No problem there.

That was snarky and unnecessary. I understand that much of the Haycock community believes that their school is untouchable and infallible, but surprise! It's not perfect.

You don't see any problem with a teacher posting who does and doesn't know their multiplication facts on the wall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Haycock AAP kids are not told to learn them before school starts. Each kids progress is posted on the wall for all to see.

Haycock's graduating 6th graders are also some of the only kids in the county not given a summer math packet.

Don't you know all Haycock kids have private tutors? No need for a math packet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haycock AAP kids are not told to learn them before school starts. Each kids progress is posted on the wall for all to see.

Haycock's graduating 6th graders are also some of the only kids in the county not given a summer math packet.

Maybe put your kid in gen Ed. No problem there.

That was snarky and unnecessary. I understand that much of the Haycock community believes that their school is untouchable and infallible, but surprise! It's not perfect.

You don't see any problem with a teacher posting who does and doesn't know their multiplication facts on the wall?

Not snarky at all. And apparently it is necessary. In my experience it's universally known that rising AAP 3rd graders need to know their math facts to 12. Just have your kids learn them. I don't see why it's so hard for any AAP family to accomplish this over the summer without the whining. And if you can't, then I really wonder if AAP is the best fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haycock AAP kids are not told to learn them before school starts. Each kids progress is posted on the wall for all to see.

Haycock's graduating 6th graders are also some of the only kids in the county not given a summer math packet.

Maybe put your kid in gen Ed. No problem there.

That was snarky and unnecessary. I understand that much of the Haycock community believes that their school is untouchable and infallible, but surprise! It's not perfect.

You don't see any problem with a teacher posting who does and doesn't know their multiplication facts on the wall?

Not snarky at all. And apparently it is necessary. In my experience it's universally known that rising AAP 3rd graders need to know their math facts to 12. Just have your kids learn them. I don't see why it's so hard for any AAP family to accomplish this over the summer without the whining. And if you can't, then I really wonder if AAP is the best fit.

I'm sure it's "universally kown" that you're a pompous ass, as well.
I'm sure the schools lack of communication on the topic was my fault. And FYI, both my kids learned them within a week without trouble, and both eventually qualified for Algebra in 7th grade.

Why does everyone on this forum believe that they are qualified to judge who should and shouldn't be in AAP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haycock AAP kids are not told to learn them before school starts. Each kids progress is posted on the wall for all to see.

Haycock's graduating 6th graders are also some of the only kids in the county not given a summer math packet.

Maybe put your kid in gen Ed. No problem there.

That was snarky and unnecessary. I understand that much of the Haycock community believes that their school is untouchable and infallible, but surprise! It's not perfect.

You don't see any problem with a teacher posting who does and doesn't know their multiplication facts on the wall?

Not snarky at all. And apparently it is necessary. In my experience it's universally known that rising AAP 3rd graders need to know their math facts to 12. Just have your kids learn them. I don't see why it's so hard for any AAP family to accomplish this over the summer without the whining. And if you can't, then I really wonder if AAP is the best fit.

I'm sure it's "universally kown" that you're a pompous ass, as well.
I'm sure the schools lack of communication on the topic was my fault. And FYI, both my kids learned them within a week without trouble, and both eventually qualified for Algebra in 7th grade.

Why does everyone on this forum believe that they are qualified to judge who should and shouldn't be in AAP?

You do seem to be the outlier. On several fronts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haycock AAP kids are not told to learn them before school starts. Each kids progress is posted on the wall for all to see.

Haycock's graduating 6th graders are also some of the only kids in the county not given a summer math packet.

Maybe put your kid in gen Ed. No problem there.

That was snarky and unnecessary. I understand that much of the Haycock community believes that their school is untouchable and infallible, but surprise! It's not perfect.

You don't see any problem with a teacher posting who does and doesn't know their multiplication facts on the wall?

Not snarky at all. And apparently it is necessary. In my experience it's universally known that rising AAP 3rd graders need to know their math facts to 12. Just have your kids learn them. I don't see why it's so hard for any AAP family to accomplish this over the summer without the whining. And if you can't, then I really wonder if AAP is the best fit.

I'm sure it's "universally kown" that you're a pompous ass, as well.
I'm sure the schools lack of communication on the topic was my fault. And FYI, both my kids learned them within a week without trouble, and both eventually qualified for Algebra in 7th grade.

Why does everyone on this forum believe that they are qualified to judge who should and shouldn't be in AAP?

You do seem to be the outlier. On several fronts.

I am now certain that you are affiliated with Haycock. I have never met such horrible people anywhere else.

[Anonymous]

And you couldn't be more wrong. Again. Just practice your math facts and all will be well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12x12 ...division not nessisary

As a teacher I would say that a child who doesn't understand the connection between multilication and division tp the point where he/she wouldn't be able to memorize one set of facts without the other, should not be memorizibg facts to begin with. Using fingers, manipulatives, and mental strategies to figure out facts builds the number sense they are missing.

Timed tests leave no time for number sense. When a child has less than a second to answer and write the answer, no strategy other than straight memorization will work.

Especially when they post every kid's progress on the wall to see.
Is that supposed to be motivating or humiliating?

If my choice was to set my kid up for success in higher math down the road, or have a high grade in timed tests, I'd pick the former.

I think posting scores on the wall is a bad idea, but it wouldn't change my commitment to doing what my kid needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our AAP web-site asks kids to learn the basic facts of multiplication and division. What is considered basic? Just the tables?

Pardon my ignorance, but what AAP website? Is there a special one for every center or is there a central one? I don't think there is an AAP site for our school...

[Anonymous]

For our school, at the end of the supply list, there is a sentence:
"This summer you need to learn and practice your basic multiplication and division facts".

I have no problem with this at all. My DC learned the connection between addition and multiplication and some basic multiplication facts at school before summer vacation. All we need to do is the practice of division. I just don't know how far to go.

Thank the FCPS teacher who posted earlier. We will prepare up to 12X12 and 144/12.

[Anonymous]

At the Archer orientation, we were told to just make sure they know multiplication & subtraction.