When is it just rude? A job search rant

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:HR bitch here. I was just going to say what 12:42 did - for one job opening I can sometimes have 800 resumes. Sometimes we have 3 job openings at once. I am swamped, and since my position does not directly make money for the company, they want as few of me as possible and as many billers as possible.

I'm sorry you aren't being gotten back to. Please keep in mind that things slow down in the summer significantly, what with everyone taking little trips here and there. Which means the hiring process is even more drawn out than usual.

Hey HR lady - it doesn't take THAT long to drop a standard form letter in the mail, or to send a form email (which is even EASIER, of course). This is just an excuse for being rude and classless. Yes the company has the power in the situation and of course they CAN behave like this, but that doesn't mean you should or that anyone should accept these lame excuses for crappy behavior.

Unfortunately, it would take me three or so hours a couple of times a week to send out form emails telling all applicants we're sorry but we went with another candidate. I already work a full day plus two hours each night. I have a husband and children who I would like to spend time with. I'm sure if we hired someone ONLY to return phone calls of people following up on the resume they submitted and respond to emails, it would be close to full time. Because once you respond, people respond to your response asking for feedback on their resume, or on how their interview went. Then there would be the people noticing they were BCC'd a form rejection letter and posting here saying how rude it is and how much time does it REALLY take to just jot a few sentences to each applicant? I am not the decision maker when it comes to hiring. Also, I can not just create a form rejection letter and send it out - that would need to be approved by our legal department, and they already rejected the idea when my predecessor brought it up.

What I have noticed is that some job searchers apply for only one job at a time, waiting to hear about one before applying for another. This is a big mistake. Apply for everything you want/qualify for, and pursue each to the fullest degree.

Honey, enough with the novel. No one is saying you have to send a form letter/email to every applicant and you know it. But it is common courtesy to provide feedback and follow up regarding your company's decision about someone whom the company has interviewed. Do you care to dispute that or provide more excuses?

Furthermore, I've been a hiring manager. I sent out form emails merged in Outlook to personalize them with a first name. Took very little time to do for the dozen or so people I'd phone interviewed. I ignored the responses for additional information unless I felt I had something compelling to share that would help them. In the few cases where I did this I took five minutes to write an email and left it at that. If you don't have the professional judgment not to respond to every inquiry that is YOUR problem I had a demanding job on top of managing the hiring process, and I too have a husband and children so your sob story doesn't pay with me. I am not in HR and would never want to be. Every HR person I've met has been a windbag of excuses and given me incorrect information about things like maternity leave benefits and then lied to cover their asses. Sorry if this seems harsh, but I'm pretty nice unless I detect utter and complete bullshit like you are spewing. Then I can be just as big of a bitch as you.

[Anonymous]

I mean NO sympathy here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HR bitch here. I was just going to say what 12:42 did - for one job opening I can sometimes have 800 resumes. Sometimes we have 3 job openings at once. I am swamped, and since my position does not directly make money for the company, they want as few of me as possible and as many billers as possible.

I'm sorry you aren't being gotten back to. Please keep in mind that things slow down in the summer significantly, what with everyone taking little trips here and there. Which means the hiring process is even more drawn out than usual.

Hey HR lady - it doesn't take THAT long to drop a standard form letter in the mail, or to send a form email (which is even EASIER, of course). This is just an excuse for being rude and classless. Yes the company has the power in the situation and of course they CAN behave like this, but that doesn't mean you should or that anyone should accept these lame excuses for crappy behavior.

Unfortunately, it would take me three or so hours a couple of times a week to send out form emails telling all applicants we're sorry but we went with another candidate. I already work a full day plus two hours each night. I have a husband and children who I would like to spend time with. I'm sure if we hired someone ONLY to return phone calls of people following up on the resume they submitted and respond to emails, it would be close to full time. Because once you respond, people respond to your response asking for feedback on their resume, or on how their interview went. Then there would be the people noticing they were BCC'd a form rejection letter and posting here saying how rude it is and how much time does it REALLY take to just jot a few sentences to each applicant? I am not the decision maker when it comes to hiring. Also, I can not just create a form rejection letter and send it out - that would need to be approved by our legal department, and they already rejected the idea when my predecessor brought it up.

What I have noticed is that some job searchers apply for only one job at a time, waiting to hear about one before applying for another. This is a big mistake. Apply for everything you want/qualify for, and pursue each to the fullest degree.

Honey, enough with the novel. No one is saying you have to send a form letter/email to every applicant and you know it. But it is common courtesy to provide feedback and follow up regarding your company's decision about someone whom the company has interviewed. Do you care to dispute that or provide more excuses?

Furthermore, I've been a hiring manager. I sent out form emails merged in Outlook to personalize them with a first name. Took very little time to do for the dozen or so people I'd phone interviewed. I ignored the responses for additional information unless I felt I had something compelling to share that would help them. In the few cases where I did this I took five minutes to write an email and left it at that. If you don't have the professional judgment not to respond to every inquiry that is YOUR problem I had a demanding job on top of managing the hiring process, and I too have a husband and children so your sob story doesn't pay with me. I am not in HR and would never want to be. Every HR person I've met has been a windbag of excuses and given me incorrect information about things like maternity leave benefits and then lied to cover their asses. Sorry if this seems harsh, but I'm pretty nice unless I detect utter and complete bullshit like you are spewing. Then I can be just as big of a bitch as you.

You're wasting your time and breath. This HR person will NEVER understand about quality customer service and how the reputation defines YOU. And, unfortunately, she has too many clones out there.

[Anonymous]

I'm guessing that the outraged posters haven't done a lot of hiring or job searching in their lives. It has never been common practice to contact all applicants to let them know they didn't get the job. It is fairly common to let final candidates who did in person interviewing know they didn't get it, and I think it's unfortunate when companies don't do that. But it isn't a manner of rudeness. It just isn't a good use of resources to contact 500 people to say they didn't get the job.

I'm not HR, but I routinely lead hiring committees. When someone applies to an opening, they get an automatic email saying their application has been received and complete. We also note on the website when the position has been filled. For candidates we interview in person, we do contact them to say the position has been filled once we have a signed contract from the selected candidate. That's it. I am not allowed to respond to candidates who send follow up emails asking for critiques of their resume or anything like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing that the outraged posters haven't done a lot of hiring or job searching in their lives. It has never been common practice to contact all applicants to let them know they didn't get the job. It is fairly common to let final candidates who did in person interviewing know they didn't get it, and I think it's unfortunate when companies don't do that. But it isn't a manner of rudeness. It just isn't a good use of resources to contact 500 people to say they didn't get the job.

I'm not HR, but I routinely lead hiring committees. When someone applies to an opening, they get an automatic email saying their application has been received and complete. We also note on the website when the position has been filled. For candidates we interview in person, we do contact them to say the position has been filled once we have a signed contract from the selected candidate. That's it. I am not allowed to respond to candidates who send follow up emails asking for critiques of their resume or anything like that.

Who on here is suggesting that a company has to contact every single applicant for a job? No one. OP INTERVIEWED and is getting the run around. The very subject of this thread is inconsiderate and unprofessional behavior toward people who have INTERVIEWED for the job. Don't defend HR lady and her bullshit by lending any credence to her straw man arguments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing that the outraged posters haven't done a lot of hiring or job searching in their lives. It has never been common practice to contact all applicants to let them know they didn't get the job. It is fairly common to let final candidates who did in person interviewing know they didn't get it, and I think it's unfortunate when companies don't do that. But it isn't a manner of rudeness. It just isn't a good use of resources to contact 500 people to say they didn't get the job.

I'm not HR, but I routinely lead hiring committees. When someone applies to an opening, they get an automatic email saying their application has been received and complete. We also note on the website when the position has been filled. For candidates we interview in person, we do contact them to say the position has been filled once we have a signed contract from the selected candidate. That's it. I am not allowed to respond to candidates who send follow up emails asking for critiques of their resume or anything like that.

Then you can use a bit of courtesy and advise in your automatic email when you acknowledge receipt of the application that if you do not hear from us, please check the website to see if the position has been filled or something similar.

Is that so hard? Excuses, excuses. You don't have to be a rocket scientist or have done a lot of hiring to use a bit of common sense practice. Keep it simple and effective. Good management skills or that seems to be lost here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing that the outraged posters haven't done a lot of hiring or job searching in their lives. It has never been common practice to contact all applicants to let them know they didn't get the job. It is fairly common to let final candidates who did in person interviewing know they didn't get it, and I think it's unfortunate when companies don't do that. But it isn't a manner of rudeness. It just isn't a good use of resources to contact 500 people to say they didn't get the job.

I'm not HR, but I routinely lead hiring committees. When someone applies to an opening, they get an automatic email saying their application has been received and complete. We also note on the website when the position has been filled. For candidates we interview in person, we do contact them to say the position has been filled once we have a signed contract from the selected candidate. That's it. I am not allowed to respond to candidates who send follow up emails asking for critiques of their resume or anything like that.

Then you can use a bit of courtesy and advise in your automatic email when you acknowledge receipt of the application that if you do not hear from us, please check the website to see if the position has been filled or something similar.

Is that so hard? Excuses, excuses. You don't have to be a rocket scientist or have done a lot of hiring to use a bit of common sense practice. Keep it simple and effective. Good management skills or that seems to be lost here.

+1 It's called reputation management, and it's basic common courtesy.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, it would take me three or so hours a couple of times a week to send out form emails telling all applicants we're sorry but we went with another candidate. I already work a full day plus two hours each night. I have a husband and children who I would like to spend time with. I'm sure if we hired someone ONLY to return phone calls of people following up on the resume they submitted and respond to emails, it would be close to full time.

No one is suggesting doing it for every applicant. But doing it for applicants who have come in for interviews seems appropriate and polite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing that the outraged posters haven't done a lot of hiring or job searching in their lives. It has never been common practice to contact all applicants to let them know they didn't get the job. It is fairly common to let final candidates who did in person interviewing know they didn't get it, and I think it's unfortunate when companies don't do that. But it isn't a manner of rudeness. It just isn't a good use of resources to contact 500 people to say they didn't get the job.

I'm not HR, but I routinely lead hiring committees. When someone applies to an opening, they get an automatic email saying their application has been received and complete. We also note on the website when the position has been filled. For candidates we interview in person, we do contact them to say the position has been filled once we have a signed contract from the selected candidate. That's it. I am not allowed to respond to candidates who send follow up emails asking for critiques of their resume or anything like that.

Then you can use a bit of courtesy and advise in your automatic email when you acknowledge receipt of the application that if you do not hear from us, please check the website to see if the position has been filled or something similar.

Is that so hard? Excuses, excuses. You don't have to be a rocket scientist or have done a lot of hiring to use a bit of common sense practice. Keep it simple and effective. Good management skills or that seems to be lost here.

+1 It's called reputation management, and it's basic common courtesy.

How and when did basic common courtesy become such a thing of the past? And then so many excuses made to get around it. Sad, very sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing that the outraged posters haven't done a lot of hiring or job searching in their lives. It has never been common practice to contact all applicants to let them know they didn't get the job. It is fairly common to let final candidates who did in person interviewing know they didn't get it, and I think it's unfortunate when companies don't do that. But it isn't a manner of rudeness. It just isn't a good use of resources to contact 500 people to say they didn't get the job.

I'm not HR, but I routinely lead hiring committees. When someone applies to an opening, they get an automatic email saying their application has been received and complete. We also note on the website when the position has been filled. For candidates we interview in person, we do contact them to say the position has been filled once we have a signed contract from the selected candidate. That's it. I am not allowed to respond to candidates who send follow up emails asking for critiques of their resume or anything like that.

Then you can use a bit of courtesy and advise in your automatic email when you acknowledge receipt of the application that if you do not hear from us, please check the website to see if the position has been filled or something similar.

Is that so hard? Excuses, excuses. You don't have to be a rocket scientist or have done a lot of hiring to use a bit of common sense practice. Keep it simple and effective. Good management skills or that seems to be lost here.

+1 It's called reputation management, and it's basic common courtesy.

How and when did basic common courtesy become such a thing of the past? And then so many excuses made to get around it. Sad, very sad.

Right? It's amazing how people rationalize their inability to simply be thoughtful and polite.

[Anonymous]

It seems like you're all just really bitter. Probably angry because you're out of work or miserable at the job you're looking to flee.

Just like when you're dating and the guy doesn't call, if you don't get a response, they're not interested. How hard is it to take a hint?

[Anonymous]

For hiring managers:
If someone interviews for a job, sends thank you emails, is it a good idea to follow up a few weeks later reiterating interest?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like you're all just really bitter. Probably angry because you're out of work or miserable at the job you're looking to flee.

Just like when you're dating and the guy doesn't call, if you don't get a response, they're not interested. How hard is it to take a hint?

Not hardly any of the above but you, on the other hand, sound quite juvenile. And if you're curious, I have my own lucrative business and well-versed in good management. Have a nice day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like you're all just really bitter. Probably angry because you're out of work or miserable at the job you're looking to flee.

Just like when you're dating and the guy doesn't call, if you don't get a response, they're not interested. How hard is it to take a hint?

Nice try. People who don't like rudeness are 100% normal. Or is it your assertion that being rude is now socially acceptable professional behavior? It's not socially acceptable dating behavior either IMO. What the two situations have in common is that rude jerks are clearly not people you want to date or work for, so you're better off anyway. Based on your post I guess we can safely assume you are one of the rude jerks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like you're all just really bitter. Probably angry because you're out of work or miserable at the job you're looking to flee.

Just like when you're dating and the guy doesn't call, if you don't get a response, they're not interested. How hard is it to take a hint?

I love how "being bitter" is supposed to be some huge insult. Tired. Very tired.