AAP Expansion and Haycock - Elizabeth Schultz amendment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a taxpayer, I'd like to see them use some of this wasted space instead of overcrowding our schools. The money they invest at Pimmit could be a downpayment on making that school a viable space for a full elementary school that will be needed in that area very soon. If they put in a kitchen and a playground now, they will have that already done. Don't be fooled by the staff comments about the condition of the school. Before you opine, you should go see it yourself.

Haycock is very overcrowded and this is a good way to get rid of the trailers and get the kids in secure, locked space.

I get it that the Haycock base parents aren't interested in any other solution, so I won't keep arguing it.

To the PP who mentioned the discussion has died down. I think it's because the Cluster 2 parents are exhausted from being "shouted down." We no longer feel welcome and I think many are now looking forward to leaving Haycock.

As a Haycock parent here's what I'm exhausted by: unworkable and unrealistic solutions that come from WHATEVER corner (Cluster 2, Cluster 1, renovation committee die-hards), and deploy a toxic level of arrogance and unreasonableness. Tired of parents on the renovation committee who yelled for many months that we could move the ENTIRE school into Pimmit while doing the renovation in order to get a 2-story, 1,000-student behemoth built when it was clear the county (wisely) wasn't going to spend $15 million on Haycock, additional millions at Pimmit, and build a larger-than-educationally-optimal elementary school. Tired of those same parents who seem to think that Haycock ought to get said millions spent on them because it's HAYCOCK, not even understanding how ridiculous their claims of hardship look to the 25% of county families who are on free-and-reduced lunch (look it up). Tired of parents who scream "grandfather everyone!" without considering how it will impact a school about to undergo a renovation that will require the (temporary) loss of 6 classrooms. Tired of people who think they just KNOW better. Better than the School Board, better than other parents, better than the administration... just better.

The above poster says "put in a kitchen and a playground" as if (a) that gets done in a day, (b) it costs no money, and (c) it would make Pimmit a viable elementary school. Um, gym class, anyone?!? (What about when it snows... and there's no gym?) What about the fact that you'd need an entirely new staff -- counselors, music teachers, gym teachers, art teachers -- at Pimmit and that THIS would cost money, too?

It's not that "Haycock base parents aren't interested in any other solution." It's that your solution isn't a good one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a taxpayer, I'd like to see them use some of this wasted space instead of overcrowding our schools. The money they invest at Pimmit could be a downpayment on making that school a viable space for a full elementary school that will be needed in that area very soon. If they put in a kitchen and a playground now, they will have that already done. Don't be fooled by the staff comments about the condition of the school. Before you opine, you should go see it yourself.

Haycock is very overcrowded and this is a good way to get rid of the trailers and get the kids in secure, locked space.

I get it that the Haycock base parents aren't interested in any other solution, so I won't keep arguing it.

To the PP who mentioned the discussion has died down. I think it's because the Cluster 2 parents are exhausted from being "shouted down." We no longer feel welcome and I think many are now looking forward to leaving Haycock.

As a Haycock parent here's what I'm exhausted by: unworkable and unrealistic solutions that come from WHATEVER corner (Cluster 2, Cluster 1, renovation committee die-hards), and deploy a toxic level of arrogance and unreasonableness. Tired of parents on the renovation committee who yelled for many months that we could move the ENTIRE school into Pimmit while doing the renovation in order to get a 2-story, 1,000-student behemoth built when it was clear the county (wisely) wasn't going to spend $15 million on Haycock, additional millions at Pimmit, and build a larger-than-educationally-optimal elementary school. Tired of those same parents who seem to think that Haycock ought to get said millions spent on them because it's HAYCOCK, not even understanding how ridiculous their claims of hardship look to the 25% of county families who are on free-and-reduced lunch (look it up). Tired of parents who scream "grandfather everyone!" without considering how it will impact a school about to undergo a renovation that will require the (temporary) loss of 6 classrooms. Tired of people who think they just KNOW better. Better than the School Board, better than other parents, better than the administration... just better.

The above poster says "put in a kitchen and a playground" as if (a) that gets done in a day, (b) it costs no money, and (c) it would make Pimmit a viable elementary school. Um, gym class, anyone?!? (What about when it snows... and there's no gym?) What about the fact that you'd need an entirely new staff -- counselors, music teachers, gym teachers, art teachers -- at Pimmit and that THIS would cost money, too?

It's not that "Haycock base parents aren't interested in any other solution." It's that your solution isn't a good one.

Really, really well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a taxpayer, I'd like to see them use some of this wasted space instead of overcrowding our schools. The money they invest at Pimmit could be a downpayment on making that school a viable space for a full elementary school that will be needed in that area very soon. If they put in a kitchen and a playground now, they will have that already done. Don't be fooled by the staff comments about the condition of the school. Before you opine, you should go see it yourself.

Haycock is very overcrowded and this is a good way to get rid of the trailers and get the kids in secure, locked space.

I get it that the Haycock base parents aren't interested in any other solution, so I won't keep arguing it.

To the PP who mentioned the discussion has died down. I think it's because the Cluster 2 parents are exhausted from being "shouted down." We no longer feel welcome and I think many are now looking forward to leaving Haycock.

As a taxpayer, the wasted space at Pimmitt would be well served to take the current tenants at Lewinsville and then reno Lewinsville and reopen it. It could reduce the over crowding at Haycock AND Kent Gardens. And/or they can use the space at Pimmit to move the Board of Supervisors daycare currently housed in Lemon road. With a redistricting, it could relieve part of Haycock, Kent Gardens and/or Freedom Hill.

17:05 here. I would support that. It's very frustrating to watch FCPS waste all of this money by leaving buildings unused. I'm not familiar with the Lewinsville site. Is the Lewinsville building a better site than Pimmit? Pimmit is closer to KG and Haycock if you are trying to solve their overcrowding issues. Lewinsville could have been a choice for a temporary annex as well. The Lewinsville idea is intriguing.

I know others on this thread are slamming the Pimmit idea and I disagree with them on many of the issues they raise, but I'm not going to argue them because it's not going to happen anyway (and I think there is plenty of room for disagreement about why). I'm more interested in finding a way to get FCPS to plan ahead instead of continually engaging in knee jerk creations to self-imposed crises and making our kids bear the brunt of FCPS's failures. I'm happy to think about ways to relieve the overcrowding problems in all the area schools. Haycock will still need relief after the renovation, as will most Tyson's area schools include our base school. I'm going to continue to follow this issue and advocate for better planning for everyone so someone else's child doesn't have to go through an unnecessary change in the future.

[Anonymous]

I think the school board was ridiculous for closing Graham Rd [resulted in busing walkers] and Clifton.

Clifton was spearheaded by that fine individual Liz Bradsher and her South County people. Now they have their middle school which has so much extra capacity even with an AAP center that Dale and Co have cooked up a scheme to use 200 seats at Lake Braddock for a Lab School with Mason.

That would be county wide and remove space as surely as the preschool. Schultz is ridiculous. Other areas of this county don't get millions of unneeded construction like South County. That thing gets unlimited access to 2 centers if that Kaufax motion passes.

Even dumber.

[Anonymous]

Anyone else notice that Strauss' base school Franklin Sherman sens kids to Langley and Mclean and is mysteriously missing from the Cooper AAP Center proposal and amendment? That states 5 schools not 6. Same thing as Colvin Run continuing to send students to Kilmer and Longfellow. It's a split feeder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a taxpayer, I'd like to see them use some of this wasted space instead of overcrowding our schools. The money they invest at Pimmit could be a downpayment on making that school a viable space for a full elementary school that will be needed in that area very soon. If they put in a kitchen and a playground now, they will have that already done. Don't be fooled by the staff comments about the condition of the school. Before you opine, you should go see it yourself.

Haycock is very overcrowded and this is a good way to get rid of the trailers and get the kids in secure, locked space.

I get it that the Haycock base parents aren't interested in any other solution, so I won't keep arguing it.

To the PP who mentioned the discussion has died down. I think it's because the Cluster 2 parents are exhausted from being "shouted down." We no longer feel welcome and I think many are now looking forward to leaving Haycock.

As a taxpayer, the wasted space at Pimmitt would be well served to take the current tenants at Lewinsville and then reno Lewinsville and reopen it. It could reduce the over crowding at Haycock AND Kent Gardens. And/or they can use the space at Pimmit to move the Board of Supervisors daycare currently housed in Lemon road. With a redistricting, it could relieve part of Haycock, Kent Gardens and/or Freedom Hill.

17:05 here. I would support that. It's very frustrating to watch FCPS waste all of this money by leaving buildings unused. I'm not familiar with the Lewinsville site. Is the Lewinsville building a better site than Pimmit? Pimmit is closer to KG and Haycock if you are trying to solve their overcrowding issues. Lewinsville could have been a choice for a temporary annex as well. The Lewinsville idea is intriguing.

I know others on this thread are slamming the Pimmit idea and I disagree with them on many of the issues they raise, but I'm not going to argue them because it's not going to happen anyway (and I think there is plenty of room for disagreement about why). I'm more interested in finding a way to get FCPS to plan ahead instead of continually engaging in knee jerk creations to self-imposed crises and making our kids bear the brunt of FCPS's failures. I'm happy to think about ways to relieve the overcrowding problems in all the area schools. Haycock will still need relief after the renovation, as will most Tyson's area schools include our base school. I'm going to continue to follow this issue and advocate for better planning for everyone so someone else's child doesn't have to go through an unnecessary change in the future.

Lewinsville seems closer to Kent Gardens than Pimmit. It is on Great Falls between Old Chain bridge and Magarity. It is currently within the Kent Garden Boundary. It is a former elementary school that was closed during enrollment drops.

[Anonymous]

Anybody watching? Schultz and Reed are making asses out of themselves - and they haven't even gotten to AAP yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else notice that Strauss' base school Franklin Sherman sens kids to Langley and Mclean and is mysteriously missing from the Cooper AAP Center proposal and amendment? That states 5 schools not 6. Same thing as Colvin Run continuing to send students to Kilmer and Longfellow. It's a split feeder.

Yes, the document should refer to six schools, not five. I don't think it affects the numbers in the attachments, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anybody watching? Schultz and Reed are making asses out of themselves - and they haven't even gotten to AAP yet.

Watching as well... Totally agree, especially Elizabeth Schultz. This woman is in love with the sound of her own voice. But Meg McLaughlin is no less so. What's the common bond between these two? Both former FEC people, right? Can we start ignoring these loudmouths now? Please, next election, no more FEC people! We're drowning in your unhelpful, combative whines!

[Anonymous]

Megan likes the sound of her own voice, but she ultimately makes sense. Schultz just babbles endlessly. At least her damn motion has now gone down in flames.

[Anonymous]

Why are you such bitches? Really? STFU. You're getting what you want so please, just STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are you such bitches? Really? STFU. You're getting what you want so please, just STFU.

If Schultz STFU'd earlier, this wouldn't drag out so long.

Strauss amendment on Haycock/Lemon Road passes 10-2

THANK YOU JANIE STRAUSS!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you such bitches? Really? STFU. You're getting what you want so please, just STFU.

If Schultz STFU'd earlier, this wouldn't drag out so long.

Strauss amendment on Haycock/Lemon Road passes 10-2

THANK YOU JANIE STRAUSS!

Seriously, please just STOP. This is really hard for some families.

[Anonymous]

Ironic that tomorrow is Haycock Blue Day....

[Anonymous]

It will be blue for some people at Haycock tomorrow.

The idea of unity through wearing blue shirts is definitely ironic.