Update on the Chicago Teachers Strike

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/chicago-teachers-strike-the-latest-fight-about-judging-teachers-by-their-students-performance/2012/09/13/03115b10-fd72-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

Apparently they are coming around based on the outrageous conditions of:

*a year of phase in before firings occur based on the new evaluation process
*some changes to the review categories
*addition of an appeals process

Not exactly the battle of tenure vs. performance that the posters on this site described. It sounds like pretty reasonable stuff.


What I don't get is if it was this simple, why did they strike? it's unexplainable. These issues could have been worked out without striking and punishing the kids. So much for putting the kids first.
Anonymous
They weren't worked out which is why they had to strike. Have you ever taught a class of 44 8 year olds? I didn't think so. . .
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/chicago-teachers-strike-the-latest-fight-about-judging-teachers-by-their-students-performance/2012/09/13/03115b10-fd72-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

Apparently they are coming around based on the outrageous conditions of:

*a year of phase in before firings occur based on the new evaluation process
*some changes to the review categories
*addition of an appeals process

Not exactly the battle of tenure vs. performance that the posters on this site described. It sounds like pretty reasonable stuff.


What I don't get is if it was this simple, why did they strike? it's unexplainable. These issues could have been worked out without striking and punishing the kids. So much for putting the kids first.


No, these issues CANNOT be worked out w/o striking, hon.

Until the public feels the pain, no one notices what exactly goes on inside a classroom. So when your DAYCARE is gone and you need to lose a few days of work, then you'll feel it.

Walk into a low performing school, view the 40+ faces, look at the deteriorating building, examine the "resources" provided by the system, and THEN tell me you think these teachers have it easy.

Remember that teachers pay their own salary. And when they're making shit for pay, working in unbearable conditions, being forced to take on societal problems of hunger and abuse and neglect, all white teaching 2+2, do you STILL think they don't deserve to strike?

Live in your bubble, PP, b/c eventually these conditions will be hitting the DC-metro area soon enough, as many DC schools are a reflection of Chicago schools. And as poverty spreads and as unemployment rises, you'll soon see the elite heading off to privates while the middle class and poor suffer through some miserable conditions are their local schools.

It's only a matter of time . . .

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/chicago-teachers-strike-the-latest-fight-about-judging-teachers-by-their-students-performance/2012/09/13/03115b10-fd72-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

Apparently they are coming around based on the outrageous conditions of:

*a year of phase in before firings occur based on the new evaluation process
*some changes to the review categories
*addition of an appeals process

Not exactly the battle of tenure vs. performance that the posters on this site described. It sounds like pretty reasonable stuff.


What I don't get is if it was this simple, why did they strike? it's unexplainable. These issues could have been worked out without striking and punishing the kids. So much for putting the kids first.


No, these issues CANNOT be worked out w/o striking, hon.

Until the public feels the pain, no one notices what exactly goes on inside a classroom. So when your DAYCARE is gone and you need to lose a few days of work, then you'll feel it.

Walk into a low performing school, view the 40+ faces, look at the deteriorating building, examine the "resources" provided by the system, and THEN tell me you think these teachers have it easy.

Remember that teachers pay their own salary. And when they're making shit for pay, working in unbearable conditions, being forced to take on societal problems of hunger and abuse and neglect, all white teaching 2+2, do you STILL think they don't deserve to strike?

Live in your bubble, PP, b/c eventually these conditions will be hitting the DC-metro area soon enough, as many DC schools are a reflection of Chicago schools. And as poverty spreads and as unemployment rises, you'll soon see the elite heading off to privates while the middle class and poor suffer through some miserable conditions are their local schools.

It's only a matter of time . . .


So, where in Bawlmer you from, hon?
You goin downy shur this weekend?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/chicago-teachers-strike-the-latest-fight-about-judging-teachers-by-their-students-performance/2012/09/13/03115b10-fd72-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

Apparently they are coming around based on the outrageous conditions of:

*a year of phase in before firings occur based on the new evaluation process
*some changes to the review categories
*addition of an appeals process

Not exactly the battle of tenure vs. performance that the posters on this site described. It sounds like pretty reasonable stuff.


What I don't get is if it was this simple, why did they strike? it's unexplainable. These issues could have been worked out without striking and punishing the kids. So much for putting the kids first.


No, these issues CANNOT be worked out w/o striking, hon.

Until the public feels the pain, no one notices what exactly goes on inside a classroom. So when your DAYCARE is gone and you need to lose a few days of work, then you'll feel it.

Walk into a low performing school, view the 40+ faces, look at the deteriorating building, examine the "resources" provided by the system, and THEN tell me you think these teachers have it easy.

Remember that teachers pay their own salary. And when they're making shit for pay, working in unbearable conditions, being forced to take on societal problems of hunger and abuse and neglect, all white teaching 2+2, do you STILL think they don't deserve to strike?

Live in your bubble, PP, b/c eventually these conditions will be hitting the DC-metro area soon enough, as many DC schools are a reflection of Chicago schools. And as poverty spreads and as unemployment rises, you'll soon see the elite heading off to privates while the middle class and poor suffer through some miserable conditions are their local schools.

It's only a matter of time . . .



You know the AVERAGE salary for a teacher in Chicago is $76k + benefits and they were just given a concession of guaranteed 16% raises over 4 years. Chicago also had the shortest school day and shortest year of any major U.S. city until this year. I don't think every teacher has it great, some of the schools are downright awful, but they aren't quitting so it must not be that bad, either.
Anonymous
Pay based on student performance has been tackled in many societies and has been proven to be illogical.
You have kids with learning disabilities, whose needs are not met in the current system, and need 5 years to graduate from high school. Kids who have to work part time and need more time to graduate, exchange students, leukemia patients who spend a lot of time in hospital, immigrants who arrive in the middle of the school year.
There are plenty of explanations, but schools should encourage poor performing kids to stay in school, not pressure them to drop out in order to save their teachers
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/chicago-teachers-strike-the-latest-fight-about-judging-teachers-by-their-students-performance/2012/09/13/03115b10-fd72-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

Apparently they are coming around based on the outrageous conditions of:

*a year of phase in before firings occur based on the new evaluation process
*some changes to the review categories
*addition of an appeals process

Not exactly the battle of tenure vs. performance that the posters on this site described. It sounds like pretty reasonable stuff.


What I don't get is if it was this simple, why did they strike? it's unexplainable. These issues could have been worked out without striking and punishing the kids. So much for putting the kids first.


No, these issues CANNOT be worked out w/o striking,

Until the public feels the pain, no one notices what exactly goes on inside a classroom. So when your DAYCARE is gone and you need to lose a few days of work, then you'll feel it.

Walk into a low performing school, view the 40+ faces, look at the deteriorating building, examine the "resources" provided by the system, and THEN tell me you think these teachers have it easy.

Remember that teachers pay their own salary. And when they're making shit for pay, working in unbearable conditions, being forced to take on societal problems of hunger and abuse and neglect, all white teaching 2+2, do you STILL think they don't deserve to strike?

Live in your bubble, PP, b/c eventually these conditions will be hitting the DC-metro area soon enough, as many DC schools are a reflection of Chicago schools. And as poverty spreads and as unemployment rises, you'll soon see the elite heading off to privates while the middle class and poor suffer through some miserable conditions are their local schools.

It's only a matter of time . . .



I will live in my bubble where it is illegal for municipals workers, this includes teachers, to strike. Chicago needs to pass a law to make it illegals for the teachers to strike. They should all be ashamed of themselves. And fired. Pitiful.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/chicago-teachers-strike-the-latest-fight-about-judging-teachers-by-their-students-performance/2012/09/13/03115b10-fd72-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

Apparently they are coming around based on the outrageous conditions of:

*a year of phase in before firings occur based on the new evaluation process
*some changes to the review categories
*addition of an appeals process

Not exactly the battle of tenure vs. performance that the posters on this site described. It sounds like pretty reasonable stuff.


What I don't get is if it was this simple, why did they strike? it's unexplainable. These issues could have been worked out without striking and punishing the kids. So much for putting the kids first.


No, these issues CANNOT be worked out w/o striking,

Until the public feels the pain, no one notices what exactly goes on inside a classroom. So when your DAYCARE is gone and you need to lose a few days of work, then you'll feel it.

Walk into a low performing school, view the 40+ faces, look at the deteriorating building, examine the "resources" provided by the system, and THEN tell me you think these teachers have it easy.

Remember that teachers pay their own salary. And when they're making shit for pay, working in unbearable conditions, being forced to take on societal problems of hunger and abuse and neglect, all white teaching 2+2, do you STILL think they don't deserve to strike?

Live in your bubble, PP, b/c eventually these conditions will be hitting the DC-metro area soon enough, as many DC schools are a reflection of Chicago schools. And as poverty spreads and as unemployment rises, you'll soon see the elite heading off to privates while the middle class and poor suffer through some miserable conditions are their local schools.

It's only a matter of time . . .



I will live in my bubble where it is illegal for municipals workers, this includes teachers, to strike. Chicago needs to pass a law to make it illegals for the teachers to strike. They should all be ashamed of themselves. And fired. Pitiful.


The anti-strike rule is to make sure that vital services aren't cut off, not for inconveniences. So no the government cannot coerce people to work just because you don't like it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/chicago-teachers-strike-the-latest-fight-about-judging-teachers-by-their-students-performance/2012/09/13/03115b10-fd72-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

Apparently they are coming around based on the outrageous conditions of:

*a year of phase in before firings occur based on the new evaluation process
*some changes to the review categories
*addition of an appeals process

Not exactly the battle of tenure vs. performance that the posters on this site described. It sounds like pretty reasonable stuff.


What I don't get is if it was this simple, why did they strike? it's unexplainable. These issues could have been worked out without striking and punishing the kids. So much for putting the kids first.


No, these issues CANNOT be worked out w/o striking,

Until the public feels the pain, no one notices what exactly goes on inside a classroom. So when your DAYCARE is gone and you need to lose a few days of work, then you'll feel it.

Walk into a low performing school, view the 40+ faces, look at the deteriorating building, examine the "resources" provided by the system, and THEN tell me you think these teachers have it easy.

Remember that teachers pay their own salary. And when they're making shit for pay, working in unbearable conditions, being forced to take on societal problems of hunger and abuse and neglect, all white teaching 2+2, do you STILL think they don't deserve to strike?

Live in your bubble, PP, b/c eventually these conditions will be hitting the DC-metro area soon enough, as many DC schools are a reflection of Chicago schools. And as poverty spreads and as unemployment rises, you'll soon see the elite heading off to privates while the middle class and poor suffer through some miserable conditions are their local schools.

It's only a matter of time . . .



I will live in my bubble where it is illegal for municipals workers, this includes teachers, to strike. Chicago needs to pass a law to make it illegals for the teachers to strike. They should all be ashamed of themselves. And fired. Pitiful.


"It's only a matter of time"...before we're Greece. Keep striking assholes, the people in Wisconsin have never been happier, your days are numbered.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:They weren't worked out which is why they had to strike. Have you ever taught a class of 44 8 year olds? I didn't think so. . .


Not quite...

Student/teacher ratio
20.0 pupils per teacher in elementary schools
24.6 pupils per teacher in high school

http://www.cps.edu/about_cps/at-a-glance/pages/stats_and_facts.aspx
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They weren't worked out which is why they had to strike. Have you ever taught a class of 44 8 year olds? I didn't think so. . .


Not quite...

Student/teacher ratio
20.0 pupils per teacher in elementary schools
24.6 pupils per teacher in high school

http://www.cps.edu/about_cps/at-a-glance/pages/stats_and_facts.aspx


and?

How many are illiterate? How many can't speak English? How many NEVER come to school, and when they do, who's there to catch them up from A to Z b/c they've missed so much?

Such morons on this site! There are no intelligent posters, as most are talking out of their asses. You're an ass, btw.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They weren't worked out which is why they had to strike. Have you ever taught a class of 44 8 year olds? I didn't think so. . .


Not quite...

Student/teacher ratio
20.0 pupils per teacher in elementary schools
24.6 pupils per teacher in high school

http://www.cps.edu/about_cps/at-a-glance/pages/stats_and_facts.aspx


I don't know anything about Chicago's numbers, and I doubt a class of 44. But there is a huge difference between student/teacher ratio and class size. There are lots of staff counted in the student/teacher ratio who are not the classroom teacher.
Anonymous
You're pitiful and a perfect example of ignorance. I love how so many "educated" posters can chime in as experts in education.

Unless teachers bring problems to the forefront, these problems will only grow larger. But so many elitists on this site don't give a rat's ass about kids in low performing schools.

Again, it's only a matter of time before schools collapse, as this is a domino effect. You'll see. So save up for private school, sweetie, and say fuck you to retirement!

Since when did it become pitiful to address educational concerns, btw? So if you have a tumor, do you ignore it and allow it to grow?

moron

so sad

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/chicago-teachers-strike-the-latest-fight-about-judging-teachers-by-their-students-performance/2012/09/13/03115b10-fd72-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

Apparently they are coming around based on the outrageous conditions of:

*a year of phase in before firings occur based on the new evaluation process
*some changes to the review categories
*addition of an appeals process

Not exactly the battle of tenure vs. performance that the posters on this site described. It sounds like pretty reasonable stuff.


What I don't get is if it was this simple, why did they strike? it's unexplainable. These issues could have been worked out without striking and punishing the kids. So much for putting the kids first.


No, these issues CANNOT be worked out w/o striking,

Until the public feels the pain, no one notices what exactly goes on inside a classroom. So when your DAYCARE is gone and you need to lose a few days of work, then you'll feel it.

Walk into a low performing school, view the 40+ faces, look at the deteriorating building, examine the "resources" provided by the system, and THEN tell me you think these teachers have it easy.

Remember that teachers pay their own salary. And when they're making shit for pay, working in unbearable conditions, being forced to take on societal problems of hunger and abuse and neglect, all white teaching 2+2, do you STILL think they don't deserve to strike?

Live in your bubble, PP, b/c eventually these conditions will be hitting the DC-metro area soon enough, as many DC schools are a reflection of Chicago schools. And as poverty spreads and as unemployment rises, you'll soon see the elite heading off to privates while the middle class and poor suffer through some miserable conditions are their local schools.

It's only a matter of time . . .



I will live in my bubble where it is illegal for municipals workers, this includes teachers, to strike. Chicago needs to pass a law to make it illegals for the teachers to strike. They should all be ashamed of themselves. And fired. Pitiful.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They weren't worked out which is why they had to strike. Have you ever taught a class of 44 8 year olds? I didn't think so. . .


Not quite...

Student/teacher ratio
20.0 pupils per teacher in elementary schools
24.6 pupils per teacher in high school

http://www.cps.edu/about_cps/at-a-glance/pages/stats_and_facts.aspx


and?

How many are illiterate? How many can't speak English? How many NEVER come to school, and when they do, who's there to catch them up from A to Z b/c they've missed so much?

Such morons on this site! There are no intelligent posters, as most are talking out of their asses. You're an ass, btw.


disabled children who previously qualified for special education are now in the classroom.
These kids take away a lot of resources from the teacher
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You're pitiful and a perfect example of ignorance. I love how so many "educated" posters can chime in as experts in education.

Unless teachers bring problems to the forefront, these problems will only grow larger. But so many elitists on this site don't give a rat's ass about kids in low performing schools.

Again, it's only a matter of time before schools collapse, as this is a domino effect. You'll see. So save up for private school, sweetie, and say fuck you to retirement!

Since when did it become pitiful to address educational concerns, btw? So if you have a tumor, do you ignore it and allow it to grow?

moron

so sad

I am very concerned about educational standards and teachers being held to unfair expectations that cannot negate the social problems of our society. But I consider this strike to be immoral and unethical. A group that effectively crosses their arms and pouts and refuses to work on issues refuses to be part of the solution.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/chicago-teachers-strike-the-latest-fight-about-judging-teachers-by-their-students-performance/2012/09/13/03115b10-fd72-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

Apparently they are coming around based on the outrageous conditions of:

*a year of phase in before firings occur based on the new evaluation process
*some changes to the review categories
*addition of an appeals process

Not exactly the battle of tenure vs. performance that the posters on this site described. It sounds like pretty reasonable stuff.


What I don't get is if it was this simple, why did they strike? it's unexplainable. These issues could have been worked out without striking and punishing the kids. So much for putting the kids first.


No, these issues CANNOT be worked out w/o striking,

Until the public feels the pain, no one notices what exactly goes on inside a classroom. So when your DAYCARE is gone and you need to lose a few days of work, then you'll feel it.

Walk into a low performing school, view the 40+ faces, look at the deteriorating building, examine the "resources" provided by the system, and THEN tell me you think these teachers have it easy.

Remember that teachers pay their own salary. And when they're making shit for pay, working in unbearable conditions, being forced to take on societal problems of hunger and abuse and neglect, all white teaching 2+2, do you STILL think they don't deserve to strike?

Live in your bubble, PP, b/c eventually these conditions will be hitting the DC-metro area soon enough, as many DC schools are a reflection of Chicago schools. And as poverty spreads and as unemployment rises, you'll soon see the elite heading off to privates while the middle class and poor suffer through some miserable conditions are their local schools.

It's only a matter of time . . .



I will live in my bubble where it is illegal for municipals workers, this includes teachers, to strike. Chicago needs to pass a law to make it illegals for the teachers to strike. They should all be ashamed of themselves. And fired. Pitiful.
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