Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off

[Anonymous]

I've got better things to do in my free time than appraise the charitable donations of each place I spend money.

But I seem to be in the minority here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. My money, my right to vote with my feet. Jeff Bezos, founder of Amazon, just donated over $2million to support same-sex marriage in Washington state. Instead of going to the store as I had planned to do yesterday, I got online and ordered through amazon.

This is funny to me at least. I used to buy from Barnes and Noble instead of Amazon whenever I could, because that "Buy Blue" website (don't think it still exists) reported that B&N gave its charity money to Dems but Amazon gave its charity money to Reps. I may have to rethink this now. Although I still think Amazon is taking over the world, and we all benefit from competition, so I may still buy from B&N when possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one *must* accept homosexuality. But as an American, you *must* oppose discrimination against anyone.

I don't agree with Cathy, and I respect his right to believe whatever he wants. But when he spends millions to deny rights to others, I have a problem with that.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've got better things to do in my free time than appraise the charitable donations of each place I spend money.

But I seem to be in the minority here.

CFA seems to be pretty in your face about where they are spending their money. I am not a Christian, but I admired the way they walked the walk by keeping their stores closed on Sunday. But once the owner or whoever he is came out and said he uses money to fund anti-gay causes, I just feel like I can't spend my money there anymore. I don't want to fund those causes in any way.

I also stopped buying BP gas after the spill. It's nice that you have "better things to do in your free time" and of course we all have the right to our opinions and how we spend our money. So why malign people who actually think about what they are supporting when they spend their cash? If you don't care about where your money is going, fine. If you do, that's great. LIVE AND LET LIVE.

[Anonymous]

So here is my honest question: if you are boycotting CFA, what were you doing when Obama was against same sex marriage? I assume by posting that you also boycott Komen that you lean pretty left. Obama didn't support same sex marriage until just a few months ago but there was no boycotting I assume. And was he called a bigot? Because that is the term I see thrown around about the CFA guy.

I don't boycott. I really don't care what their personal political beliefs are. In fact I like that they have the balls to speak up regardless of their stance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't. Why should I care what the owner of a fast food restaurant thinks about anything? His beliefs are his. Mine may or may not be different, but who's really to say who is right? Also, I don't think people realize that boycotting Chick-fil-A because of what the Cathy family thinks is not going to matter to the Cathys. They voluntarily close every Sunday of every year, thus missing 53-54 days of profit every single year- because of their beliefs. They're fine not making money on Sundays because they think they're doing what's right. They're also going to be fine not making money from boycotters, because they still think their stance on gay marriage is right!

But it's not just their opinions -- they donate part of the profits of the restaurant to causes that actively oppose things I think are really important. So I don't want my oney to become part of that support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here is my honest question: if you are boycotting CFA, what were you doing when Obama was against same sex marriage? I assume by posting that you also boycott Komen that you lean pretty left. Obama didn't support same sex marriage until just a few months ago but there was no boycotting I assume. And was he called a bigot? Because that is the term I see thrown around about the CFA guy.

I don't boycott. I really don't care what their personal political beliefs are. In fact I like that they have the balls to speak up regardless of their stance.

NP: Obama is a politician. He said what he did to get elected. I think it was ballsy of him to support gay marriage in an election year. Anyway, he wasn't donating money to keep gays from getting married which is why I'm boycotting CFA. The CFA owner has the right to say what he wants, and I have the right to boycott.

[Anonymous]

What exactly would one boycott in protest of Obama's former stance on marriage equality? A boycott is a refusal to purchase goods or services or engage in social relations with an organization, business, or a person as a punishment or protest. Obama does not own a business and I certainly never had a social relationship with him so I really didn't have an ability to boycott him. I suppose I could decline to give him campaign contributions, but I generally don't give money to politicians anyway. I did eat Chick-fil-a before I learned of their policies. If what you mean is, "Why would anyone support Obama because of his lack of support of marriage equality?" The answer is because he is better than the alternative. He wasn't actively engaging in policy making that limited the civil rights of gay families. He wasn't promoting equal treatment but he was not working against it. His opposition, the Republican party, supports the denial of marriage and family equality to gay and lesbian people. I don't vote for a politician over one issue. I pick the ones that are most important to me and choose accordingly. Obama, in 2008, wasn't where I wanted him to be on this issue, but he was in a better place than John McCain and Sarah Palin and the Republican party as a whole.

And to the poster who said not everyone has to accept homosexuality. Ok. Except the self-same arguments were made against integration, and interracial marriage, women's rights, and religious tolerance. So, insert "blacks," or "Jews," or "women" into your sentence. Equal protection under the law is literally a right and right now gay and lesbian people who want to get married, adopt children, dispose of property, etc. are largely denied equal protection of the law. Much the same way that black people were denied the right to equal protection under the law before integration. Much the same way women were denied equal protection under the law before they won the right to vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've got better things to do in my free time than appraise the charitable donations of each place I spend money.

But I seem to be in the minority here.

I do too. But when the guy goes on national TV and proclaims his views, I'm not going to ignore them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We definitely prefer to do business with organizations and firms that reflect our social and economic beliefs. It's not a must though. We occasionally shop at Whole Foods and I'm pretty sure the owner of that chain does not agree with us on a lot of political issues.

In this particular case tho, we would never have eaten at CLA so they won't miss us. Factory farmed meat/mass production crap food is, IMHO, a far more deadly and immediate threat for the US than anything these guys could say about gay marriage. The anti-gay thing is ridiculous, 3rd century thinking, but the tide on that has turned and the days of the bigots will pass. In the meantime, food from places like CLA is literally killing us and is doing terrible damage to the environment. If there should be any outrage, I think it should be at that.

He's not the "owner" of WholeFoods. He's the founder and former Chairman of the Board.

[Anonymous]

I assume OP protests all religon that are anti gay and takes a hard stance against nationolized oil exports from countires that put homos to death.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here is my honest question: if you are boycotting CFA, what were you doing when Obama was against same sex marriage? I assume by posting that you also boycott Komen that you lean pretty left. Obama didn't support same sex marriage until just a few months ago but there was no boycotting I assume. And was he called a bigot? Because that is the term I see thrown around about the CFA guy.

I don't boycott. I really don't care what their personal political beliefs are. In fact I like that they have the balls to speak up regardless of their stance.

It is ABOUT THE MONEY.

I don't care what people's beliefs are, what their opinions are, what they say. It is when they start funding causes that contravene civil/human and indeed, LEGAL rights that I stop giving that person or business my money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't. Why should I care what the owner of a fast food restaurant thinks about anything? His beliefs are his. Mine may or may not be different, but who's really to say who is right? Also, I don't think people realize that boycotting Chick-fil-A because of what the Cathy family thinks is not going to matter to the Cathys. They voluntarily close every Sunday of every year, thus missing 53-54 days of profit every single year- because of their beliefs. They're fine not making money on Sundays because they think they're doing what's right. They're also going to be fine not making money from boycotters, because they still think their stance on gay marriage is right!

But it's not just their opinions -- they donate part of the profits of the restaurant to causes that actively oppose things I think are really important. So I don't want my oney to become part of that support.

+1.

They not only donate money to causes I actively oppose, they donate money to causes DEDICATED TO REMOVING PEOPLE'S BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.

It is about the MONEY. Not the opinions, the MONEY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've got better things to do in my free time than appraise the charitable donations of each place I spend money.

But I seem to be in the minority here.

I do too. But when the guy goes on national TV and proclaims his views, I'm not going to ignore them.

Exactly. I'm not going to try to ferret out people's views, but if they are going to broacast them in an interview, it's only fair to assume that people are going to learn about them.

I'd feel the same way if a business owner went on the air in an interview and said "I think God doesn't want blacks and whites to marry. We need to return to God fearing principals and I don't think they should be allowed to marry." And then I learned he used his profits to fund groups opposing the rights of people to marry those of a different race.

He's allowed to say what he wants but I don't have to buy what he is selling.

And he'd soon learn that there are some bigoted statements that just aren't safe to say in public. You want to say something like that, say it in the privacy of your own home where it belongs.

[Anonymous]

Anyone buy Chiquita bananas? I think they got in trouble with the US government for providing funds to terrorists abroad.