NAACP, Local Advocates File Discrimination Complaint Against FCPS

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Anonymous wrote:

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Google the studies done on the virtual elimination of the achievement gap between children attending DOD and schools on military bases. Black and hispanic children in these schools do just as well as their white and asian counterparts.

Thanks for the tip, PP! Really interesting stuff. I'm surprised we don't hear more discussion about using DOD schools as a model for closing achievement gap. We have so many military people living here, you'd think it would get more notice.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait, aren't Asian-Americans a "minority"?

not to the NAACP, apparently. funny how that works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait, aren't Asian-Americans a "minority"?

An overrepresented minority, yes. Thar's why this complaint is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it's a stupid complaint. would be thrown out of court if filed in court but it wasn't. Seeks no remedies - Hone says she just wants to bring attention to the "problem," i.e., blacks and Latinos are not identified early as being potential TJ material. What, they don't take the CogAt like everybody else?

FCPS went with the Naglieri [first done for the class of 2012 -2nd grade and 2011-3rd graders in base schools] and dumped the Otis-lennen. That was done years ago and there was a big new crop admitted to the GT centers for grade 4 after the Naglieri. The idea was to pull in more URM but it added others as well. That made GTC's overcrowded leading to boundary chnages and the opening of new centers.

At some FCPS schools over 30% now are qualified for level iv.

Those middle schools with centers vary in AAP program size.

http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:42:1757190621013254::NO:42_SCHOOL_YEAR,P42_CLUSTER_ID,P42_DIVISION_ID,P42_SCHOOL_ID:201112,1,DIVISION,


total 7,8 plus aap[removed sped]=23,440
aap=3535 [assume 50% in each grade so 1767 in grade 8 ranging from 61 at Glascow to 259 at Carson]

Now do you all see why there are variations in the numbers for TJ from centers?

[Anonymous]

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http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:42:1757190621013254::NO:42_SCHOOL_YEAR,P42_CLUSTER_ID,P42_DIVISION_ID,P42_SCHOOL_ID:201112,1,DIVISION,


total 7,8 plus aap[removed sped]=23,440
aap=3535 [assume 50% in each grade so 1767 in grade 8 ranging from 61 at Glascow to 259 at Carson]

Now do you all see why there are variations in the numbers for TJ from centers?

Great link to nowhere!

[Anonymous]

What's interesting is in DC for years the political caste, DC Teachers Union and other vested interests opposed creation of an academically rigorous magnet school modeled on TJ -- too "elitist" (i.e., would cater to academically superior students), not egalitarian enough for ol' DC.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it's a stupid complaint. would be thrown out of court if filed in court but it wasn't. Seeks no remedies - Hone says she just wants to bring attention to the "problem," i.e., blacks and Latinos are not identified early as being potential TJ material. What, they don't take the CogAt like everybody else?

FCPS went with the Naglieri [first done for the class of 2012 -2nd grade and 2011-3rd graders in base schools] and dumped the Otis-lennen. That was done years ago and there was a big new crop admitted to the GT centers for grade 4 after the Naglieri. The idea was to pull in more URM but it added others as well. That made GTC's overcrowded leading to boundary chnages and the opening of new centers.

At some FCPS schools over 30% now are qualified for level iv.

Those middle schools with centers vary in AAP program size.

http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:42:1757190621013254::NO:42_SCHOOL_YEAR,P42_CLUSTER_ID,P42_DIVISION_ID,P42_SCHOOL_ID:201112,1,DIVISION,


total 7,8 plus aap[removed sped]=23,440
aap=3535 [assume 50% in each grade so 1767 in grade 8 ranging from 61 at Glascow to 259 at Carson]

Now do you all see why there are variations in the numbers for TJ from centers?

I'm sorry. Your point is

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i'd be willing to bet that a good number of the 300+ asians that were admitted to TJ's class this year speak/write english as a second language

i agree. they read and write better than most unilingual Americans.

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i'd be willing to bet that a good number of the 300+ asians that were admitted to TJ's class this year speak/write english as a second language

i agree. they read and write better than most unilingual Americans.

they often win spelling bees after being in the country only a few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
i agree. they read and write better than most unilingual Americans.

they often win spelling bees after being in the country only a few years.

Next thing you'll claim they even have dictionaries in India.

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Anonymous wrote:But we aren't talking about normal kids - the school only grabs the truly truly gifted. And that the demographics seems to favor Asians heavily. Perhaps they are gifted and their families work very hard to have them achieve. I know many asian families that pay for tutors and send their children to special schools on Saturdays to get them ahead.

If the other groups (white, hispanic, black, etc) can't compete they will be and should be left behind. Don't dumb the school down for quotas. That is why the U.S. is starting to fail.

+100. This lawsuit represents everything that is wrong with the US these days. It's no wonder that we're not competitive in the world anymore. But hey, instead of accepting responsibility and looking at ourselves, our family structures, our lack of parental involvement in our kids' education, our culture, or our priorities, and trying to improve these things, it's a lot easier to make excuses and blame someone else for our failures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Google the studies done on the virtual elimination of the achievement gap between children attending DOD and schools on military bases. Black and hispanic children in these schools do just as well as their white and asian counterparts.

Thanks for the tip, PP! Really interesting stuff. I'm surprised we don't hear more discussion about using DOD schools as a model for closing achievement gap. We have so many military people living here, you'd think it would get more notice.

I googled this a bit. What I saw was the achievement gap was basically cut in half. I don't think this is a representative population however; the military folks tend to be smarter than the average population; they basically make you take an IQ test to get into the military. I'd also guess there's probably a very big difference in family support and expectations for children of people in the military.

This seems to me to be more about the quality and attitudes of the people in the military vs. how great the DOD schools are.

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Anonymous wrote:
+100. This lawsuit represents everything that is wrong with the US these days. It's no wonder that we're not competitive in the world anymore. But hey, instead of accepting responsibility and looking at ourselves, our family structures, our lack of parental involvement in our kids' education, our culture, or our priorities, and trying to improve these things, it's a lot easier to make excuses and blame someone else for our failures.

It's a complaint, not a lawsuit. Did you even read it?

We're stuck with TJ, it seems, and the never-ending angst about who gets admitted and who does not. The irony is that TJ was not established because smart math/science kids could not get a very good education in FCPS. It was created because the business crowd that has turned Fairfax into one big parking lot over the past 25 years wanted to send a message to companies that the county is a high-tech paradise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
+100. This lawsuit represents everything that is wrong with the US these days. It's no wonder that we're not competitive in the world anymore. But hey, instead of accepting responsibility and looking at ourselves, our family structures, our lack of parental involvement in our kids' education, our culture, or our priorities, and trying to improve these things, it's a lot easier to make excuses and blame someone else for our failures.

It's a complaint, not a lawsuit. Did you even read it?

We're stuck with TJ, it seems, and the never-ending angst about who gets admitted and who does not. The irony is that TJ was not established because smart math/science kids could not get a very good education in FCPS. It was created because the business crowd that has turned Fairfax into one big parking lot over the past 25 years wanted to send a message to companies that the county is a high-tech paradise.

to be fair, a complaint is the first document filed by a plaintiff in a lawsuit. they will sue, no doubt.

can't address your second paragraph because, well, it doesn't have a point.