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All this talk re: judging Palin for having an infant while running for office = sexism
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Anonymous
Actually the whole point of OP's point was that mothers are different from fathers -- not just in her home, and she is judging Palin accordingly. |
Anonymous
If you believe that the affection a father shows a child is no different than the affection shown by a mother, you are living in a fantasy world. Your husband may be able to provide as much comfort to your child as you can in his own way, but it will not be the same as you. |
Anonymous
| This is 20:06, I was actually reacting to 20:02 who quoted her response along with another post accidentally. |
Anonymous
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Actually the whole point of OP's point was that mothers are different from fathers -- not just in her home, and she is judging Palin accordingly. I am the OP. The person quoted has correctly captured my thoughts on this matter. Mothers are different from fathers -- what a revelation!! Not just in my home -- why would that only be true in my home? And yes, I judge a woman who, after her water breaks, continues a speaking engagement and flies back across the country. Not good judgment. No maternal instinct. I also judge a woman who would even consider accepting the VP spot months after giving birth to a Downs baby. That is the problem with pro-lifers: Life is sacred, until it is born. Then you can treat it like shit. Which is exactly what Palin is doing. Like I said before, I am a proud working mom and a feminist. But feminist does not mean equal. It means that society needs to adapt to the different circumstances between men and woman so that a fair outcome is achieved. |
Anonymous
| OP, thank you for clarifying. I misunderstood your original post. I don't completely agree with your points, but I do agree that a fair outcome should be acheive between men and women. |
Anonymous
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Another proud Feminist here who thinks Palin is kidding herself and the American public if she thinks she is going to be able to attend to her family while running for VP. Her life and that of her families IS available for public consumption. We dove into every sermon Obama's preacher delivered, how he was raised, where he messed up, which friends and colleagues he had affiliations with...now it's Palins turn. Here's what sticks out to me with Palin:
former beauty queen pagent-yes i'm judging that her emphasis on beauty is not a role model for young women DUI NRA-big gun fan PRO LIFE in all circumstances Returned to work 3 days after delivering baby with Downs Teen who's pregnant while Palin preaches abstinence She's a far cry from a female role model to me. I also think that to suggest a man or nanny could care for a 3 day old special needs baby in the same way a mother could is absurd, it's not sexist, it's just wrong. We are physically, hormonally, biologically designed to care for infants at least for the first several months. She's a cold fish in my book and doesnt hold a candle to Hillary in terms of feminist role models. |
Anonymous
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OP here.
It was her husband that got the DUI, two decades ago. So not much meat there. I find it much more interesting that she attended conventions at which the seccession of Alaska was hailed as a great idea. That she is an active member of a church that holds that position that the United States intentionally brought AIDS into this country, and that she supported Pat Buchanan in 1996 -- a fact which she initially denied to McCain. Only then they found pics of her with a Pat button on. |
Anonymous
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I don't think it's sexist at all to question her priorities and decisions; I think it speaks to one's character.
I keep coming down to this: How on earth do you leave a 4 month old newborn AND a pregnant daughter to run for Vice President and then possibly serve as VP? How is your family not more important? The more this sits with me, the more I think she is a horrible person for doing this to her family. Put aside all the questions of inexperience and right-wing policy positions, if you're gonna have five kids, including one with speical needs at the age of 44, and including one with whom you've done such a bang-up job that she's now pregnant at 17, maybe you oughta stick around to see it through to the end. And I absolutely would feel the same way if it were a man running. I thought John Edwards was slimy for running while his wife had cancer and he had two young kids. If Obama had a newborn and a pregnant teenaged daughter, I'd think he had his priorities screwed up too. And I'm setting aside the notion of how she will perform as VP with her family demands (she's said she'll take her Down Syndrom child to work, go to therapy sessions with him, etc). Haven't many women had to compromise a bit on their career goals in order to put family first? Yes, I'm a Democrat who's voting for Obama. But it's hard for me to imagine how even conservatives wouldn't at least sort of agree with me on this. Any conservatives out there who want to tell me why I'm wrong? |
Anonymous
I agree completely. Women and men both have to sometimes make sacrifices. Whether that means having less than 5 kids, or working part time, or buying a less expensive house so one parent can SAH. All families make sacrifices. If Palin plans to give 100% of herself as VP, then other parts of her life will definitely be sacrificed. She is definitely not going to be able to put her family first. Or, she won't give her all to the VP position. In which case, I don't want her as VP. |
Anonymous
How about the possibility that she carried the baby to term because she expected to love it and value its worth the same as any of her kids? For many of us, discovering that a baby will have Downs is NOT reason to terminate. (Writing this as a proud pro-choice working mom Obama voter, but c'mon, giver Palin a little credit here.) |
Anonymous
| Her behavior does not reflect that of a loving mother. Continuing a speaking engagement once her waters broke, then flying across the country to have her husband drive her to her hospital of choice. Going to work 3 days after giving birth to a special needs child. Accepting the VP selection when she has a Downs infant. Her willingness to drag her 17 year old daughter to hell and back if it means she will be VP? |
Anonymous
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If the OP's post isn't sexist, I don't know what is.
It's amazing to me that in Washington, DC of all places, there's not more support for a working mother who happens to be a governor. She takes Trig to her office every day, nurses him in meetings, pumps during the night. But to read DCUM one would think she is quite possibly the antichrist in maternal form. I feel certain the vitriol on here would be virtually non-existent were Palin a Democrat who Barack Obama had tapped as his running mate. Really, folks. Look at yourselves and ask if there's not only extreme sexism happening here, but a complete double standard based on Palin's ideology. Would you be burning up DCUM with your posts judging her fitness as a mother if Palin were a Democrat? |
Anonymous
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If Palin were a Democrat, she wouldn't be making these choices.
There is a huge difference between being a mother who works or practices a profession and a woman who accepts the VP invitation months after having a Downs baby. And how much of a mother has she been to Bristol? Would you do this to your kid? She knew that accepting this candidacy would be pure hell on her daughter. She did it anyways. I could never do that to my daughter. |
Anonymous
I find it very difficult to take seriously someone who writes "anyways." But you seem to be answering my question, which is that no, you wouldn't make these judgments if she were a Democrat. Democrats, of course, are entirely pure and never make choices that harm their families. This is why Bill Clinton, John Edwards, and Eliot Spitzer are Republicans. Oh, wait. They're not. I'm a Democrat and I am LMAO at your assertion that Democrats don't make these kinds of choices. And at your assumption that Palin didn't discuss this with her daughter and the rest of her family. If she didn't, I think that's wrong. But I have no way of knowing that, and neither do you. |
Anonymous
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"If Palin were a Democrat, she wouldn't be making these choices."
Even as a Democrat, I disagree with that. Plenty of pols on both sides of the aisle put themselves first and their families second. With that said, what Palin is doing -- dragging her daughter into the public spotlight, not being as "there" for her newborn infant as she could/should be....ranks pretty high up there in my book in terms of putting yourself first and your family second. |