U.S. Soldier goes house to house killing civilians in Afghanistan

[Anonymous]

They are reporting the guy has a wife and kids. I just who we stay out of Iran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agreed, reactions will come immediately, and any excuse for a vocal group of American haters and radicals to spur anger and violence will not be missed. Such an unfortunate event by a man who was probably at wits end and frayed emotionally at a very unfortunate time.

Wow, you are able to make excuses for mass murder before you even know the guy's name. Aren't you the model of objectivity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed, reactions will come immediately, and any excuse for a vocal group of American haters and radicals to spur anger and violence will not be missed. Such an unfortunate event by a man who was probably at wits end and frayed emotionally at a very unfortunate time.

Wow, you are able to make excuses for mass murder before you even know the guy's name. Aren't you the model of objectivity?

I made no excuses for his actions. the fact that he is may have been emotionally exhausted or upset is not an excuse for his behavior. thank you. move along.

[Anonymous]

In the language of the law you are stating a mitigating factor, ie a partial excuse.

[Anonymous]

Soldiers kill people
This time a soldier killed for fun/pleasure, without permission from his superiors
Revenge is the law of any land that does not have a legal system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the language of the law you are stating a mitigating factor, ie a partial excuse.

I'm pretty sure I'm posting on dc urban mom and not Georgetown law forums. As mentioned, please move along or post something of substance instead of trolling based on semantics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agreed, reactions will come immediately, and any excuse for a vocal group of American haters and radicals to spur anger and violence will not be missed. Such an unfortunate event by a man who was probably at wits end and frayed emotionally at a very unfortunate time.

Any excuse? Of the 16 sleeping people he gunned down, 9 were kids and 3 were women. Saying it's just "any excuse" is an affront to the horrifying nature of this crime. If your kids were gunned down in their sleep, wouldn't you be filled with rage as well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed, reactions will come immediately, and any excuse for a vocal group of American haters and radicals to spur anger and violence will not be missed. Such an unfortunate event by a man who was probably at wits end and frayed emotionally at a very unfortunate time.

Any excuse? Of the 16 sleeping people he gunned down, 9 were kids and 3 were women. Saying it's just "any excuse" is an affront to the horrifying nature of this crime. If your kids were gunned down in their sleep, wouldn't you be filled with rage as well?

not really sure what the bickering back and forth seems to be about-- it sounds like PP was implying there is a double standard in the afghan public reactions to american actions vs say those of the Taliban or other afghans.

If thats the case, I agree with them. Ill cite for you that the UN marked 1167 civilian casulaties in the first half of 2011 caused by anti-government forces- namely the taliban. That constituted 79.8%(!!!) of the civlian casualties for that period; yet there was very little outcry or even coverage of the news. Can you imagine- the taliban are already killing 6.5 civilians a day!!! A DAY!!!

Two weeks ago, there were huge government protests about the burning of Korans—which already had been desecrated by prisoners who wrote in them making them unclean and due for destruction as per muslim belief. But that was not important to them that the Korans had been desecrated by their fellow muslims in the first place.

Before you accuse me of watering down the current situation- DON’T. I fully believe this was a horrible event and another show that its past time for us to let that country be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed, reactions will come immediately, and any excuse for a vocal group of American haters and radicals to spur anger and violence will not be missed. Such an unfortunate event by a man who was probably at wits end and frayed emotionally at a very unfortunate time.

Any excuse? Of the 16 sleeping people he gunned down, 9 were kids and 3 were women. Saying it's just "any excuse" is an affront to the horrifying nature of this crime. If your kids were gunned down in their sleep, wouldn't you be filled with rage as well?

not really sure what the bickering back and forth seems to be about-- it sounds like PP was implying there is a double standard in the afghan public reactions to american actions vs say those of the Taliban or other afghans.

If thats the case, I agree with them. Ill cite for you that the UN marked 1167 civilian casulaties in the first half of 2011 caused by anti-government forces- namely the taliban. That constituted 79.8%(!!!) of the civlian casualties for that period; yet there was very little outcry or even coverage of the news. Can you imagine- the taliban are already killing 6.5 civilians a day!!! A DAY!!!

Two weeks ago, there were huge government protests about the burning of Korans—which already had been desecrated by prisoners who wrote in them making them unclean and due for destruction as per muslim belief. But that was not important to them that the Korans had been desecrated by their fellow muslims in the first place.
Before you accuse me of watering down the current situation- DON’T. I fully believe this was a horrible event and another show that its past time for us to let that country be.

It's irrelevant, though. The preferred methods of disposal of a Qur'an are to either respectfully wrap it in a clean cloth and bury it, or respectfully place it in a river. Burning it is permissible if neither of the other two methods is possible. However, if the Qur'an is burned, all references to Allah (swt) and the messengers must be erased first.

The smart thing to do would have been to consult a local sheikh and determine the most appropriate way to dispose of them in a respectful manner. I'm sure you can see the difference between a respectful disposal and just burning them in a fire pit for no apparent reason by an occupying military force. And so far reports indicate they weren't supposed to be burned. That they had been removed from a prison library because Muslim prisoners were apparently writing messages to one another in them. But the Qur'ans were placed in storage. 5 soldiers apparently took them out of storage to burn them, even though they were ordered to simply remove them, not actually destroy them.

As far as the comparison to Taliban murders of civilians, I don't see it in the comments above. Of course they are horrific, but we don't control the Taliban. We are responsible for our soldiers alone.

[Anonymous]

Any excuse? Of the 16 sleeping people he gunned down, 9 were kids and 3 were women. Saying it's just "any excuse" is an affront to the horrifying nature of this crime. If your kids were gunned down in their sleep, wouldn't you be filled with rage as well?

What are you talking about? What do you think we are doing over there? Go look up civilian deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. When you go to war people are killed. Its not TV. What is the difference between this and dropping a bomb from a drone that kills a wedding party? Civilians are dead. What about the 4 males who were killed? Is it like crabbing, just kill the males? They are all civilians. As for reasons not excuses. You do four combat tours(a tour could be 15 months away from your family in combat) with out the proper rest and support system. See your friend killed. How would you do? We need a draft.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Any excuse? Of the 16 sleeping people he gunned down, 9 were kids and 3 were women. Saying it's just "any excuse" is an affront to the horrifying nature of this crime. If your kids were gunned down in their sleep, wouldn't you be filled with rage as well?

What are you talking about? What do you think we are doing over there? Go look up civilian deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. When you go to war people are killed. Its not TV. What is the difference between this and dropping a bomb from a drone that kills a wedding party? Civilians are dead. What about the 4 males who were killed? Is it like crabbing, just kill the males? They are all civilians. As for reasons not excuses. You do four combat tours(a tour could be 15 months away from your family in combat) with out the proper rest and support system. See your friend killed. How would you do? We need a draft.

What are "you" talking about? Even in war, certain actions are a crime. Going door to door wearing Afghan clothes, with night vision goggles to kill civilians in their sleep is a crime.

We need to stop going to war on the drop of a dime. Anyone with ties to Vietnam and veterans of that war knows the damage war does to Americans lives on for generations.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Any excuse? Of the 16 sleeping people he gunned down, 9 were kids and 3 were women. Saying it's just "any excuse" is an affront to the horrifying nature of this crime. If your kids were gunned down in their sleep, wouldn't you be filled with rage as well?

What are you talking about? What do you think we are doing over there? Go look up civilian deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. When you go to war people are killed. Its not TV. What is the difference between this and dropping a bomb from a drone that kills a wedding party? Civilians are dead. What about the 4 males who were killed? Is it like crabbing, just kill the males? They are all civilians. As for reasons not excuses. You do four combat tours(a tour could be 15 months away from your family in combat) with out the proper rest and support system. See your friend killed. How would you do? We need a draft.

What you are describing sounds like a list of justifications or provocations for anti-American activities rather than excuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Any excuse? Of the 16 sleeping people he gunned down, 9 were kids and 3 were women. Saying it's just "any excuse" is an affront to the horrifying nature of this crime. If your kids were gunned down in their sleep, wouldn't you be filled with rage as well?

What are you talking about? What do you think we are doing over there? Go look up civilian deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. When you go to war people are killed. Its not TV. What is the difference between this and dropping a bomb from a drone that kills a wedding party? Civilians are dead. What about the 4 males who were killed? Is it like crabbing, just kill the males? They are all civilians. As for reasons not excuses. You do four combat tours(a tour could be 15 months away from your family in combat) with out the proper rest and support system. See your friend killed. How would you do? We need a draft.

There are hundreds if not thousands of other services members (my brother included) that have served four year long tours. They did not go door to door, on their own accord, killing innocent civilians. What happens in war does not include what this man did. I am a vet and a military spouse; I support our military members as a whole, but this man chose to become an individual and chose to act alone. He is a cold blooded murder and I am ashamed to have him serving and representing our country. I will make no excuses for his behavior. 16 innocent lives are gone and many more lives will be lost due to his stupid, immoral and illegal actions.

[Anonymous]

The soldier stomped on a toddler's head. He put a gun in the mouth of a 2 year old. What is wrong with you people sympathizing with this soldier? Are you incapable of recognizing evil when you see it?

[takoma]

Anonymous wrote:The soldier stomped on a toddler's head. He put a gun in the mouth of a 2 year old. What is wrong with you people sympathizing with this soldier? Are you incapable of recognizing evil when you see it?

I don't sympathize, but how do you know these details? Did someone videotape this tragedy?