Abuse or Discipline?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to open this up but can someone describe what the 'discipline' was?

Forcibly (and rather painfully) shaved his head so it looked funny (photos suggest he also shaved his eyebrows).
Took him to the other room and beat him bare-bottom with a belt (you can hear it, but not see it in the video)
Then he took him outside and forced him to do a "workout". Running, squats across a field, pushups, etc. Photos show the kid trying to do pushups and crying.

All for presumably doing what all 7 year olds do from time to time - goof off in class.

The kid had scars but lied about them. He said he lied because the guy who had been abusing told him to lie because he didn't want him to go to jail. The guy was not a relative, but a "mentor".

[Anonymous]

This is discipline, not abuse. Shaming and spanking are appropriate and needful discipline for children who do not respond to milder forms of punishment. I fully condone the mentor's actions and believe the black community is going to hell in a handbasket because there aren't enough men willing to spend time loving and disciplining our kids. If Broox ceases to be his mentor it will be a tragedy for this child.

Unlike the cosseted children of many DCUM posters, who had the fortune to be born into affluent two-parent families, in a few short years this boy will no longer be considered a child in the society that fears those who look like him. Nobody is going to cut him any slack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is discipline, not abuse. Shaming and spanking are appropriate and needful discipline for children who do not respond to milder forms of punishment. I fully condone the mentor's actions and believe the black community is going to hell in a handbasket because there aren't enough men willing to spend time loving and disciplining our kids. If Broox ceases to be his mentor it will be a tragedy for this child.

Unlike the cosseted children of many DCUM posters, who had the fortune to be born into affluent two-parent families, in a few short years this boy will no longer be considered a child in the society that fears those who look like him. Nobody is going to cut him any slack.

The cycle of abuse continues.

[Anonymous]

I was spanked and I do not spank my kids but not all kids need to be spanked. It is not abuse. Good discipline makes children upset. Time outs do not work on everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is discipline, not abuse. Shaming and spanking are appropriate and needful discipline for children who do not respond to milder forms of punishment. I fully condone the mentor's actions and believe the black community is going to hell in a handbasket because there aren't enough men willing to spend time loving and disciplining our kids. If Broox ceases to be his mentor it will be a tragedy for this child.

Unlike the cosseted children of many DCUM posters, who had the fortune to be born into affluent two-parent families, in a few short years this boy will no longer be considered a child in the society that fears those who look like him. Nobody is going to cut him any slack.

Agree 100%. The same folks saying "that poor boy" will be the same ones saying "that effing thug" in about 5 years times...wondering why no one took the time to discipline him and put him on the right path.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is discipline, not abuse. Shaming and spanking are appropriate and needful discipline for children who do not respond to milder forms of punishment. I fully condone the mentor's actions and believe the black community is going to hell in a handbasket because there aren't enough men willing to spend time loving and disciplining our kids. If Broox ceases to be his mentor it will be a tragedy for this child.

Unlike the cosseted children of many DCUM posters, who had the fortune to be born into affluent two-parent families, in a few short years this boy will no longer be considered a child in the society that fears those who look like him. Nobody is going to cut him any slack.

Leaving scars, beating, shaming, shaving, forcing a child to "work out" until he cries - that's abuse. It's not ok or acceptable just because he is black and you think that means he'll be a criminal if he is not abused now.

I'm also willing to bet you that there are plenty of men in prison who were spanked or abused. The video looks like a man bullying a child (and enjoying it) and something that would take place in a prison - not a home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was spanked and I do not spank my kids but not all kids need to be spanked. It is not abuse. Good discipline makes children upset. Time outs do not work on everyone.

That's not that point. The point is - do you think the 7 year old's punishment was discipline or abuse?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is discipline, not abuse. Shaming and spanking are appropriate and needful discipline for children who do not respond to milder forms of punishment. I fully condone the mentor's actions and believe the black community is going to hell in a handbasket because there aren't enough men willing to spend time loving and disciplining our kids. If Broox ceases to be his mentor it will be a tragedy for this child.

Unlike the cosseted children of many DCUM posters, who had the fortune to be born into affluent two-parent families, in a few short years this boy will no longer be considered a child in the society that fears those who look like him. Nobody is going to cut him any slack.

Leaving scars, beating, shaming, shaving, forcing a child to "work out" until he cries - that's abuse. It's not ok or acceptable just because he is black and you think that means he'll be a criminal if he is not abused now.

I'm also willing to bet you that there are plenty of men in prison who were spanked or abused. The video looks like a man bullying a child (and enjoying it) and something that would take place in a prison - not a home.

I'm with 10:45. There is a HUGE line between spanking, and hitting with a belt so hard to leave scars. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Anonymous]

There are some sick people in this world, and several have posted on this thread. I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that what this man did to the little boy was in any way acceptable or positive. Disgusting and inhuman.

[Anonymous]

@3:29

If it matters I am African- American. This was abuse. He left marks on that boy. Apparently he had been whipping him for a while. Obviously it didn't work before, if he acted out again. Judge Mathis had atalk about whippings in the black community, and how that needs to change. I am a nanny, I've seen my fair share of children who misbehave. There are other ways to discipline a child.

[Anonymous]

I can't even open it. But just by the description, I feel sorry for anyone who things that this falls into discipline and not abuse. I feel especially sorry for your kids or any kids you come into contact with. You can discipline a chid - and be tough - without causing physical or mental harm.

I can believe that there are some children that need harsher consequences than others, but shavng a kid's head just to look funny just to embarress him? Beating him? The only thing that is doing is making youself feel big and mighty.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Abuse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't even open it. But just by the description, I feel sorry for anyone who things that this falls into discipline and not abuse. I feel especially sorry for your kids or any kids you come into contact with. You can discipline a chid - and be tough - without causing physical or mental harm.

I can believe that there are some children that need harsher consequences than others, but shavng a kid's head just to look funny just to embarress him? Beating him? The only thing that is doing is making youself feel big and mighty.

Already said I do not spank my children. Did not realize scarring resulted. I agree that it is abuse.