Are public school teachers better than private school teachers

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What is SES?

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He links to a study that shows that education degrees only help performance for the few few years of teaching, after that, it doesn't have an impact compared to teachers who don't have that training.

Well, if my kid is going to have a new teacher, I would like him to have one who has had the training, please.

Also, does the study adjust for teacher-dropout rates?

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Anonymous wrote:On the other hand, simply getting a degree in elementary education with a low 'B' average from a crappy college that accepts all teens who apply doesn't make you better at teaching. ie, the public school certification process doesn't demand a lot.

I have two relatives who are certified teachers in early elementary, who work in the best school district in a Midwestern state that routinely puts up the best #s for ACT, SAT and CATs. Both relatives are quite dumb, although I will grant that they are good at handling younger kids. I bet 11:46 teaching @ age 21 was at least as decent as these two women.

Teachers are among those with the lowest SAT scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Something to think about.....I was hired to teach at a private school BEFORE I completed my Bachelor's Degree. The school was able to hire me by calling me a "permanent sub". I was teaching a high school science class in a respected private school without a degree. I was 21 years old.

That would never happen in a public school.

What does happen in public school is that sub teachers are hired who have Bachelor's Degrees which are totally unrelated in the subjects they teach as subs. Insane!

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Public or Private, educators who teach core academic subjects should not be allowed to coach athletic teams. Teaching and Coaching are two entirely different disciplines which require entirely different methodologies. Both teaching and coaching a major sports team are full-time jobs.

All teachers should add value to their schools by leading a school club or activity related to their own discipline e.g. the French Club, Sierra Club, Student Council, or Yearbook Committee.

However, teachers of core academic subjects should not be allowed to coach athletic teams. There simply are not enough hours in a day to adequately teach and assess high quality lessons and coach a major sport at the same time. Quality lessons include, but are not limited to some of the following components, warm-ups, a short review, introduction and instruction of new materials, and an assessment. That’s just the classroom routine. Teachers themselves need time to review the material in order to present it in a cogent interesting manner. You can’t just show up and wing it. Then after class and at home they must grade homework, quizzes, and tests. Being a teacher is a good job, but make no mistake about it, if an individual has any intention of truly being a good teacher, they must also plan on being a full-time teacher.

Coaching also requires long hours of instruction. They must supervise conditioning and training in the off-season, drills, practices, plays, scrimmages, games, fund raising, scouting, viewing videos, and developing game-day strategies. Coaching is far more complex, comprehensive, scientific, and time consuming than it was several decades ago. Coaching is a full-time job.

Also, classroom management and team management may not require different methodologies, but different methodologies seem to prevail. Some Teacher/Coaches have difficulty controlling their Bobby Knight -- On/Off Switches.

Teachers who try to teach and coach are usually horribly ineffective teachers. There are not enough hours in a day to effectively perform the duties responsibilities of a quality teacher and to also coach a sports team.

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I have a friend who teaches elementary school history (4 or 5th grade) at a top DC private and is a very mediocre writer. She has many other wonderful things about her as a teacher, but I just wonder how she could teach the kids how to write. I'm sure there are many mediocre writers in the public school teaching ranks too. It probably doesn't matter below 2nd grade anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:What is SES?

Socio-economic status

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The best teacher my kids ever had was in public school (MCPS). But the worst teacher my kids ever had was also in public school.

Kids are now in private schools. The second best teacher each has had has been in private; also the second worst teacher for one of the kids.

So, I don't find the question useful.

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If I were to venture a guess, I'd say that any school with high SES for its families, public or private, is going to have great teachers.

Uh no. The best teachers are moved to the red zones in Mont. Co.

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Anonymous wrote:Public or Private, educators who teach core academic subjects should not be allowed to coach athletic teams. Teaching and Coaching are two entirely different disciplines which require entirely different methodologies. Both teaching and coaching a major sports team are full-time jobs.

All teachers should add value to their schools by leading a school club or activity related to their own discipline e.g. the French Club, Sierra Club, Student Council, or Yearbook Committee.

However, teachers of core academic subjects should not be allowed to coach athletic teams. There simply are not enough hours in a day to adequately teach and assess high quality lessons and coach a major sport at the same time. Quality lessons include, but are not limited to some of the following components, warm-ups, a short review, introduction and instruction of new materials, and an assessment. That’s just the classroom routine. Teachers themselves need time to review the material in order to present it in a cogent interesting manner. You can’t just show up and wing it. Then after class and at home they must grade homework, quizzes, and tests. Being a teacher is a good job, but make no mistake about it, if an individual has any intention of truly being a good teacher, they must also plan on being a full-time teacher.

Coaching also requires long hours of instruction. They must supervise conditioning and training in the off-season, drills, practices, plays, scrimmages, games, fund raising, scouting, viewing videos, and developing game-day strategies. Coaching is far more complex, comprehensive, scientific, and time consuming than it was several decades ago. Coaching is a full-time job.

Also, classroom management and team management may not require different methodologies, but different methodologies seem to prevail. Some Teacher/Coaches have difficulty controlling their Bobby Knight -- On/Off Switches.

Teachers who try to teach and coach are usually horribly ineffective teachers. There are not enough hours in a day to effectively perform the duties responsibilities of a quality teacher and to also coach a sports team.

At our private, most teachers also coach a sport or two. It works for some teachers, but not so well for others. You are right, there are not enough hours in the day to do all the things that private school teachers are asked to do. Again, that is the trade off. More work, less pay, but some control over what and how you teach.

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The problem with that kind of learning environment is that teachers are allowed to be sports coaches first and educators second. When those teacher/coaches become overwhelmed they stop teaching and grading quality lessons. Without standards how can parents be certain their children are receiving a quality education?

When children are taught core academic subjects by sports coaches the result is that little is learned in the classroom and by and large their students end up being home schooled in those subjects.

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You are a nut job.

One of my colleagues is a fabulous teacher who coaches lacrosse.

Anonymous wrote:Public or Private, educators who teach core academic subjects should not be allowed to coach athletic teams. Teaching and Coaching are two entirely different disciplines which require entirely different methodologies. Both teaching and coaching a major sports team are full-time jobs.

All teachers should add value to their schools by leading a school club or activity related to their own discipline e.g. the French Club, Sierra Club, Student Council, or Yearbook Committee.

However, teachers of core academic subjects should not be allowed to coach athletic teams. There simply are not enough hours in a day to adequately teach and assess high quality lessons and coach a major sport at the same time. Quality lessons include, but are not limited to some of the following components, warm-ups, a short review, introduction and instruction of new materials, and an assessment. That’s just the classroom routine. Teachers themselves need time to review the material in order to present it in a cogent interesting manner. You can’t just show up and wing it. Then after class and at home they must grade homework, quizzes, and tests. Being a teacher is a good job, but make no mistake about it, if an individual has any intention of truly being a good teacher, they must also plan on being a full-time teacher.

Coaching also requires long hours of instruction. They must supervise conditioning and training in the off-season, drills, practices, plays, scrimmages, games, fund raising, scouting, viewing videos, and developing game-day strategies. Coaching is far more complex, comprehensive, scientific, and time consuming than it was several decades ago. Coaching is a full-time job.

Also, classroom management and team management may not require different methodologies, but different methodologies seem to prevail. Some Teacher/Coaches have difficulty controlling their Bobby Knight -- On/Off Switches.

Teachers who try to teach and coach are usually horribly ineffective teachers. There are not enough hours in a day to effectively perform the duties responsibilities of a quality teacher and to also coach a sports team.

[Anonymous]

Of course, teachers/coaches can be excellent at both!!!!!!!
A teacher or coach can suck- but NOT because they are doing both. That does not make sense to me. We all lead busy lives. Besides, coaching is very important, too, and it is nice for a teacher to get to know a student on another level-such as sports.

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Teachers are human. Period. Just because the school may be free (or paid by taxes), does not make them shitty, nor does paying tuition assure me of good teachers. There are duds and stars at both.