veterans

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Cowards and hypocrites. How many of you are police, fire fighters? Not a damn one. A cushy job with the Fed govt. isn't serving your country, it is simply a job that a champanzee could do as well as you and could be paid in bananas. This is a good way to start hacking away at our huge deficit.

You shouldn't throw the word "coward" around unless you have seen combat yourself.

Really? Have you been in combat?

Yes. And I am also not calling anyone a coward.

I haven't seen combat first hand but I know first hand the death of someone killed in combat.

[Anonymous]

So when do our heroic veterans become lazy, overpaid government workers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So when do our heroic veterans become lazy, overpaid government workers?

I was wondering the same thing. If I am to believe the various threads, I guess in my case it was when I took a job at DOJ. Now I'm apparently just another lazy, stupid, overpaid government employee, doing nothing but surfing the Internet at work, that is when I'm not prosecuting criminals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Cowards and hypocrites. How many of you are police, fire fighters? Not a damn one. A cushy job with the Fed govt. isn't serving your country, it is simply a job that a champanzee could do as well as you and could be paid in bananas. This is a good way to start hacking away at our huge deficit.

So if I work for the Federal Government trying to get vets the benefits they deserve, which would I be? Coward or Chimpanzee?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Cowards and hypocrites. How many of you are police, fire fighters? Not a damn one. A cushy job with the Fed govt. isn't serving your country, it is simply a job that a champanzee could do as well as you and could be paid in bananas. This is a good way to start hacking away at our huge deficit.

So if I work for the Federal Government trying to get vets the benefits they deserve, which would I be? Coward or Chimpanzee?

Benefits for Veterans are generally the purview of Congress, in which case, you would be one of the criminals the earlier DOJ should be prosecuting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Cowards and hypocrites. How many of you are police, fire fighters? Not a damn one. A cushy job with the Fed govt. isn't serving your country, it is simply a job that a champanzee could do as well as you and could be paid in bananas. This is a good way to start hacking away at our huge deficit.

So if I work for the Federal Government trying to get vets the benefits they deserve, which would I be? Coward or Chimpanzee?

Benefits for Veterans are generally the purview of Congress, in which case, you would be one of the criminals the earlier DOJ should be prosecuting.

What does that mean? The VA is in the executive branch. The Secretary of Veterans AffaiRs is a member of the President's Cabinet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Cowards and hypocrites. How many of you are police, fire fighters? Not a damn one. A cushy job with the Fed govt. isn't serving your country, it is simply a job that a champanzee could do as well as you and could be paid in bananas. This is a good way to start hacking away at our huge deficit.

So if I work for the Federal Government trying to get vets the benefits they deserve, which would I be? Coward or Chimpanzee?

Benefits for Veterans are generally the purview of Congress, in which case, you would be one of the criminals the earlier DOJ should be prosecuting.

What an idiot you are. As if congressmen comes up with the budget on their own and hand it out from their offices. I can see John Boehner looking up veterans' war records to vote Yea or Nea on disability payments to individual soldiers. "I'm sorry you'll have to come back with a notarized copy of your medical records for me to approve this. Next! Hmm let me see.. That bum knee could have come from anywhere. Don't blame Uncle Sam. Next!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Would you have preferred that the USA have had a "little chat" with Hitler while he was exterminating millions of Jews, some of the most intelligent and giving people in the world? Personallly, my family and I are extremely grateful to the incredibly brave men and women of this country who have fought evil so that you could express your opinion from the comforts of your home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Would you have preferred that the USA have had a "little chat" with Hitler while he was exterminating millions of Jews, some of the most intelligent and giving people in the world? Personallly, my family and I are extremely grateful to the incredibly brave men and women of this country who have fought evil so that you could express your opinion from the comforts of your home.

I'm not the poster you are ridiculing, and I am pro-military. But there is a huge difference between joining or being drafted to fight Hitler and taking a job that may require you to kill unspecified people upon command. You can't dismiss a pacifist position with a 2 bit Hitler argument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Would you have preferred that the USA have had a "little chat" with Hitler while he was exterminating millions of Jews, some of the most intelligent and giving people in the world? Personallly, my family and I are extremely grateful to the incredibly brave men and women of this country who have fought evil so that you could express your opinion from the comforts of your home.

I'm not the poster you are ridiculing, and I am pro-military. But there is a huge difference between joining or being drafted to fight Hitler and taking a job that may require you to kill unspecified people upon command. You can't dismiss a pacifist position with a 2 bit Hitler argument.

Two bit Hitler argument? During WWII, soldiers were drafted to kill unspecified people as well--they were the enemy. There were innocent Germans who died in the process. That's part of war.

[Anonymous]

Moron pacifist children are the byproduct of a nation with a powerful and deadly military. It requires complete certainty of safety to become confident in your delusions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Would you have preferred that the USA have had a "little chat" with Hitler while he was exterminating millions of Jews, some of the most intelligent and giving people in the world? Personallly, my family and I are extremely grateful to the incredibly brave men and women of this country who have fought evil so that you could express your opinion from the comforts of your home.

I'm not the poster you are ridiculing, and I am pro-military. But there is a huge difference between joining or being drafted to fight Hitler and taking a job that may require you to kill unspecified people upon command. You can't dismiss a pacifist position with a 2 bit Hitler argument.

Two bit Hitler argument? During WWII, soldiers were drafted to kill unspecified people as well--they were the enemy. There were innocent Germans who died in the process. That's part of war.

The millions of Americans who went to war to fight Hitler were not doing it to make a living. They were fighting a just cause. We had 250,000 soldiers prior to WWII. Nearly the entire army was drafted at the time of war. If we were in the same situation during Iraq, we would not have fought that war. The public would not have consented to a draft to fight that war. Yet they did consent to a draft to fight Hitler.

Would you have consented to a draft to fight Hitler? Surely you would have. Would you have supported a draft, possibly of your own son, to go to Iraq? Almost certainly you would have not supported it.

This is why there is a difference between "military as career" and going to war for a specific cause.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Would you have preferred that the USA have had a "little chat" with Hitler while he was exterminating millions of Jews, some of the most intelligent and giving people in the world? Personallly, my family and I are extremely grateful to the incredibly brave men and women of this country who have fought evil so that you could express your opinion from the comforts of your home.

I'm not the poster you are ridiculing, and I am pro-military. But there is a huge difference between joining or being drafted to fight Hitler and taking a job that may require you to kill unspecified people upon command. You can't dismiss a pacifist position with a 2 bit Hitler argument.

Two bit Hitler argument? During WWII, soldiers were drafted to kill unspecified people as well--they were the enemy. There were innocent Germans who died in the process. That's part of war.

The millions of Americans who went to war to fight Hitler were not doing it to make a living. They were fighting a just cause. We had 250,000 soldiers prior to WWII. Nearly the entire army was drafted at the time of war. If we were in the same situation during Iraq, we would not have fought that war. The public would not have consented to a draft to fight that war. Yet they did consent to a draft to fight Hitler.

Would you have consented to a draft to fight Hitler? Surely you would have. Would you have supported a draft, possibly of your own son, to go to Iraq? Almost certainly you would have not supported it.

This is why there is a difference between "military as career" and going to war for a specific cause.

I appreciate all that you're saying and think you summarized your points very well. I just don't agree with you. I believe that the United States needs to have a prepared military, and I have several family members who are a part of that military today, graduates of the Air Force Academy and Annapolis. I'm proud of them and what they do, just as I'm proud of my father-in-law who was a pilot in WW II, was shot down, and kept in a German prison camp for over a year. Do I think our military is perfect and never guilty of overspending? No. Do I think we were correct to go to Iraq and take out Saddam Hussein? Yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Would you have preferred that the USA have had a "little chat" with Hitler while he was exterminating millions of Jews, some of the most intelligent and giving people in the world? Personallly, my family and I are extremely grateful to the incredibly brave men and women of this country who have fought evil so that you could express your opinion from the comforts of your home.

Let the brainwashing continue. There's no way to get through war without thinking like this, unfortunately. Otherwise decent people would go mad. You have to dehumanize the enemy just to stay sane. How else can you kill someone's brother, father, and son? Repeatedly. I won't even get into civilian deaths, injuries, rapes, and torture at American hands. And that's inevitable in war. Inevitable. There's never been a war that didn't include these atrocities. And something Bush never even contemplated when he decided to get us into a pointless war. It's not just about killing people.

It's not just about dying or becoming a double amputee, which is all anyone seems to think about. It's about what war does to Americans who are forced to kill. It's about what war does to those Americans who love to kill. It's about what it does to those Americans who enlisted in the military and never dreamed of killing, yet still have to. It's about how it shatters so many American minds and they come home to commit suicide, abuse their spouses and kids, hurt others, and suffer horrific emotional pain for the rest of their lives. It's about how these permanently injured people begin to raise another generation of Americans. And it's not even like the government supports them once they are home. Emotional damage and emotional death is never discussed, never addressed.

And here's the thing. Iraq was never any threat to my freedom. Not ever. And that's the biggest American heartbreak of all. Certain situations may be worth the unspeakable cost of war. But I can't think of any in my lifetime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are thousands of ways to serve ones country that don't involve military service.

But not many that come with a real risk of death.

Or killing humans for a living.

Would you have preferred that the USA have had a "little chat" with Hitler while he was exterminating millions of Jews, some of the most intelligent and giving people in the world? Personallly, my family and I are extremely grateful to the incredibly brave men and women of this country who have fought evil so that you could express your opinion from the comforts of your home.

Let the brainwashing continue. There's no way to get through war without thinking like this, unfortunately. Otherwise decent people would go mad. You have to dehumanize the enemy just to stay sane. How else can you kill someone's brother, father, and son? Repeatedly. I won't even get into civilian deaths, injuries, rapes, and torture at American hands. And that's inevitable in war. Inevitable. There's never been a war that didn't include these atrocities. And something Bush never even contemplated when he decided to get us into a pointless war. It's not just about killing people.

It's not just about dying or becoming a double amputee, which is all anyone seems to think about. It's about what war does to Americans who are forced to kill. It's about what war does to those Americans who love to kill. It's about what it does to those Americans who enlisted in the military and never dreamed of killing, yet still have to. It's about how it shatters so many American minds and they come home to commit suicide, abuse their spouses and kids, hurt others, and suffer horrific emotional pain for the rest of their lives. It's about how these permanently injured people begin to raise another generation of Americans. And it's not even like the government supports them once they are home. Emotional damage and emotional death is never discussed, never addressed.

And here's the thing. Iraq was never any threat to my freedom. Not ever. And that's the biggest American heartbreak of all. Certain situations may be worth the unspeakable cost of war. But I can't think of any in my lifetime. So true I don't even think the nuking of NYC is grounds for war. Most of the country dislikes them as much as Al Qaeda does
and they have no desire to defend themselves anyway.