DoD canceled all union agreements

[Anonymous]

does someone has numbers on how much fed unions get from employees salary and the amount of time they spent while getting paid tax $s salary?

after that, most of the opinions would change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The anti union sentiment on this board is so ignorant. Unions are the reason you (including unrepresented staff such as managers) have the hours, leave, and benefits you do - what they negotiate becomes the norm. Unions raise the floor for everybody and keep the worst of manager abuse at bay.

And yes, they need to negotiate on work time because the managers wouldn't agree to meet with them after hours.

Completely untrue. That happened a long time ago and they did their job but in last decade or so, they have been bums sitting around charging tax $s for union work. All that needs to go.

It wasn't a long time ago, it's all the time including right now. CBAs get negotiated every 1 to 5 years, and manager issues come up all the time. They need to be addressed on working time because of managers. Or are you saying you're willing to meet with your employee and their union rep on your day off?

Trying to say that nothing new is happening from them to get all the union dues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whether you liked them or not, you should still be appalled that they are just cancelling an agreed to contract.

It's what republicans voted for, they hate labor contracts.

[Anonymous]

those contracts are not helping anyone - they are only there for unions to make money. Tell me anything significant they negotiated recently that was helpful to feds?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The anti union sentiment on this board is so ignorant. Unions are the reason you (including unrepresented staff such as managers) have the hours, leave, and benefits you do - what they negotiate becomes the norm. Unions raise the floor for everybody and keep the worst of manager abuse at bay.

And yes, they need to negotiate on work time because the managers wouldn't agree to meet with them after hours.

Completely untrue. That happened a long time ago and they did their job but in last decade or so, they have been bums sitting around charging tax $s for union work. All that needs to go.

It wasn't a long time ago, it's all the time including right now. CBAs get negotiated every 1 to 5 years, and manager issues come up all the time. They need to be addressed on working time because of managers. Or are you saying you're willing to meet with your employee and their union rep on your day off?

Trying to say that nothing new is happening from them to get all the union dues.

Have you been living under a rock? The unions are litigating at least 20 different cases in court related to, among other issues, unlawful RIFs. You realize it costs money to have attorneys on staff. It also costs money to employ lege affairs people to lobby on behalf of federal employees. There were two significant wins in the last two years related to employee health care costs and oension contributions that the unions lobbied to get removed from the BBB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:those contracts are not helping anyone - they are only there for unions to make money. Tell me anything significant they negotiated recently that was helpful to feds?

Union dues are not taxpayer dollars. You are free to not pay your dues if you don't want to, and you still get to benefit from the union's work and then moan about it here. I find the dues worthwhile for a lot of reasons, including good benefits that the union negotiated, like backup childcare access and free dental. But the union does not run on taxpayer dollars.

The negotiations with the agency were done by agency employees - people who have real, everyday jobs at the agency - who are allowed to use paid work time for union business. Because the only way to meet with management is to do it during business hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The anti union sentiment on this board is so ignorant. Unions are the reason you (including unrepresented staff such as managers) have the hours, leave, and benefits you do - what they negotiate becomes the norm. Unions raise the floor for everybody and keep the worst of manager abuse at bay.

And yes, they need to negotiate on work time because the managers wouldn't agree to meet with them after hours.

Completely untrue. That happened a long time ago and they did their job but in last decade or so, they have been bums sitting around charging tax $s for union work. All that needs to go.

It wasn't a long time ago, it's all the time including right now. CBAs get negotiated every 1 to 5 years, and manager issues come up all the time. They need to be addressed on working time because of managers. Or are you saying you're willing to meet with your employee and their union rep on your day off?

Trying to say that nothing new is happening from them to get all the union dues.

Have you been living under a rock? The unions are litigating at least 20 different cases in court related to, among other issues, unlawful RIFs. You realize it costs money to have attorneys on staff. It also costs money to employ lege affairs people to lobby on behalf of federal employees. There were two significant wins in the last two years related to employee health care costs and oension contributions that the unions lobbied to get removed from the BBB.

Unions didn't do anything for that. It didn't have enough traction in house. lOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:those contracts are not helping anyone - they are only there for unions to make money. Tell me anything significant they negotiated recently that was helpful to feds?

Union dues are not taxpayer dollars. You are free to not pay your dues if you don't want to, and you still get to benefit from the union's work and then moan about it here. I find the dues worthwhile for a lot of reasons, including good benefits that the union negotiated, like backup childcare access and free dental. But the union does not run on taxpayer dollars.

The negotiations with the agency were done by agency employees - people who have real, everyday jobs at the agency - who are allowed to use paid work time for union business. Because the only way to meet with management is to do it during business hours.

Yes and for the name of union business, they just slack around all day. The time they spend on BS are all tax payer $s and needs to be eliminated right away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:those contracts are not helping anyone - they are only there for unions to make money. Tell me anything significant they negotiated recently that was helpful to feds?

What do you call recently? Our union had negotiated maximum telework and flexible work schedules in 2023, which was in effect until the contract was illegally broken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:those contracts are not helping anyone - they are only there for unions to make money. Tell me anything significant they negotiated recently that was helpful to feds?

What do you call recently? Our union had negotiated maximum telework and flexible work schedules in 2023, which was in effect until the contract was illegally broken.

My union is lame. We are back in office for all 10 days per PP and there is no TW allowed. I heard they didn't show up during mediation and we lost TW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:those contracts are not helping anyone - they are only there for unions to make money. Tell me anything significant they negotiated recently that was helpful to feds?

Union dues are not taxpayer dollars. You are free to not pay your dues if you don't want to, and you still get to benefit from the union's work and then moan about it here. I find the dues worthwhile for a lot of reasons, including good benefits that the union negotiated, like backup childcare access and free dental. But the union does not run on taxpayer dollars.

The negotiations with the agency were done by agency employees - people who have real, everyday jobs at the agency - who are allowed to use paid work time for union business. Because the only way to meet with management is to do it during business hours.

Yes and for the name of union business, they just slack around all day. The time they spend on BS are all tax payer $s and needs to be eliminated right away.

Agree and disagree. Tine spent on union business should be tracked, as taxpayer money is being used to pay the salaries for their actual jobs. Unless they are employed by the union, they should still be working the jobs they were hired/paid to do and taking designated union leave to conduct union business. It's on management to track and enforce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The anti union sentiment on this board is so ignorant. Unions are the reason you (including unrepresented staff such as managers) have the hours, leave, and benefits you do - what they negotiate becomes the norm. Unions raise the floor for everybody and keep the worst of manager abuse at bay.

And yes, they need to negotiate on work time because the managers wouldn't agree to meet with them after hours.

Govt unions are a polite fiction. It is illegal for them to strike, so what was the leverage they used to negotiate? Political endorsement, most union members vote the way they want not based on union and it is impossible to verify.

Quiet quitting, calling in, quitting, grievances, candidate endorsements

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The anti union sentiment on this board is so ignorant. Unions are the reason you (including unrepresented staff such as managers) have the hours, leave, and benefits you do - what they negotiate becomes the norm. Unions raise the floor for everybody and keep the worst of manager abuse at bay.

And yes, they need to negotiate on work time because the managers wouldn't agree to meet with them after hours.

Govt unions are a polite fiction. It is illegal for them to strike, so what was the leverage they used to negotiate? Political endorsement, most union members vote the way they want not based on union and it is impossible to verify.

Quiet quitting, calling in, quitting, grievances, candidate endorsements

Quiet quitting? That just adds fuel to the idea that Feds don’t work much. If you work rule, no one will notice.

Calling in is effectively illegal strike (1981 PATCO strike) and can result in firings

Quitting. Nose, meet face.

Grievances. Courts are controlled by political parties

Candidate endorsements — people are polarized, I would bet at least half union members voted for Trump.

Without being able to strike, they depend upon the consideration and gifted power of the politicians. That era has ended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:those contracts are not helping anyone - they are only there for unions to make money. Tell me anything significant they negotiated recently that was helpful to feds?

Union dues are not taxpayer dollars. You are free to not pay your dues if you don't want to, and you still get to benefit from the union's work and then moan about it here. I find the dues worthwhile for a lot of reasons, including good benefits that the union negotiated, like backup childcare access and free dental. But the union does not run on taxpayer dollars.

The negotiations with the agency were done by agency employees - people who have real, everyday jobs at the agency - who are allowed to use paid work time for union business. Because the only way to meet with management is to do it during business hours.

Yes and for the name of union business, they just slack around all day. The time they spend on BS are all tax payer $s and needs to be eliminated right away.

Agree and disagree. Tine spent on union business should be tracked, as taxpayer money is being used to pay the salaries for their actual jobs. Unless they are employed by the union, they should still be working the jobs they were hired/paid to do and taking designated union leave to conduct union business. It's on management to track and enforce.

You know that doesn't happen, right? Tell me one union rep at your agency that actually does his/her job. Union gets paid by dues and these people are hired on Govt salaries so where is the money going?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:those contracts are not helping anyone - they are only there for unions to make money. Tell me anything significant they negotiated recently that was helpful to feds?

Union dues are not taxpayer dollars. You are free to not pay your dues if you don't want to, and you still get to benefit from the union's work and then moan about it here. I find the dues worthwhile for a lot of reasons, including good benefits that the union negotiated, like backup childcare access and free dental. But the union does not run on taxpayer dollars.

The negotiations with the agency were done by agency employees - people who have real, everyday jobs at the agency - who are allowed to use paid work time for union business. Because the only way to meet with management is to do it during business hours.

Yes and for the name of union business, they just slack around all day. The time they spend on BS are all tax payer $s and needs to be eliminated right away.

Agree and disagree. Tine spent on union business should be tracked, as taxpayer money is being used to pay the salaries for their actual jobs. Unless they are employed by the union, they should still be working the jobs they were hired/paid to do and taking designated union leave to conduct union business. It's on management to track and enforce.

You know that doesn't happen, right? Tell me one union rep at your agency that actually does his/her job. Union gets paid by dues and these people are hired on Govt salaries so where is the money going?

They have full time lawyers. And the money goes towards lawsuits like the innumerable ones in the past year.