why don't college push College Board more?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about asking them to recenter the scores back to how they used to be. Back in our day, over 1400 would give you a good chance at an Ivy (at least at my highly competitive suburban public school). Now that is probably 1500 - too much score compression. And it isn't because kids are that much smarter and/or better prepared.

Also, kill all of the bogus AP classes. AP Pre-Calc? Really? If there were fewer APs there would be less pressure on kids to take them. I know that for some kids it helps them pay for fewer years of college, but for most it is a ridiculous competition that shouldn't exist. So glad my kid goes to a school without APs.

this is mostly about the increase in applications, not the sat scores.

in my day, kids with 1400 SAT wouldnt dream of applying to the Ivy League because nobody did that from where I was from. You went to the U of Illinois. *maybe* Notre Dame if you were catholic. people didn't travel for college in the same way, there wasn't financial aid in the same way, it just wasn't part of the culture.

now, my old high school has kids who apply to all these schools and some get in. more so for all the international kids. the world is flat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you crazy? Colleges shouldn’t know how many schools kids apply to. Colleges have all of the advantages in this process. Why give them another one?

I dont think this is true. My kids go to one of those schools that limit apps, and the head of counseling told parents colleges have told him to put that in BIG LETTERS on the school profile because it helps the kids so much. If a school knows the kid is only applying to 7 schools and not 27, it matters. Apps never get yield protected for example.

You being full pay helps, not limited applications.

NP In our case it's Regis, which is free

[Anonymous]

I'd like to see them push CB more but I don't see how they can

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back in 2017, Colby and right after then U Chicago decided they'd let kids self report SAT scores instead of having kids pay College Board $15 or so per application to report scores. And within years, this was standard. It did nothing for colleges - but didn't hurt them either. It was purely for students. There was an unknown downside risk - what if kids lie when they self report. But colleges guess kids wouldnt - because it would have been useless - and they didn't.

It did take a lot of money from The College Board.

Why don't colleges try this again. For example, if colleges would require high schools to include on transcript how many colleges this student has applied to (hs has sent transcript to), apps would eventually tick down a bit.

Or maybe some other ideas?

I don't understand what you are asking, OP. Self-reported scores are verified with an official report at the one school where the student was admitted and enrolls.

I don't understand how the number of colleges a student has applied to appearing on the transcript would have any effect on how many a student chooses to apply to. The colleges cannot be identified. If it implied that the student would be unlikely to yield, then that high school would see its admissions go down, not a good thing for the high school.

If you are trying to think of ways to decrease the number of apps students submit, the primary way would be to increase certainty in the process. The massive uncertainty in holistic admissions is the reason for the long lists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back in 2017, Colby and right after then U Chicago decided they'd let kids self report SAT scores instead of having kids pay College Board $15 or so per application to report scores. And within years, this was standard. It did nothing for colleges - but didn't hurt them either. It was purely for students. There was an unknown downside risk - what if kids lie when they self report. But colleges guess kids wouldnt - because it would have been useless - and they didn't.

It did take a lot of money from The College Board.

Why don't colleges try this again. For example, if colleges would require high schools to include on transcript how many colleges this student has applied to (hs has sent transcript to), apps would eventually tick down a bit.

Or maybe some other ideas?

how is this idea pushing the college board?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid's school only allows students to apply to 12 schools. They feature this restriction prominently on their school profile as a way of signaling that every application is a serious one. I think that helps with admissions and definitely helps with the time suck that is the application process.

It shows what a small and privileged world you live in that you think "only" 12 helps with admissions. 12 is far above the national average and a totally standard number among students applying to ivy level schools .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's school only allows students to apply to 12 schools. They feature this restriction prominently on their school profile as a way of signaling that every application is a serious one. I think that helps with admissions and definitely helps with the time suck that is the application process.

It shows what a small and privileged world you live in that you think "only" 12 helps with admissions. 12 is far above the national average and a totally standard number among students applying to ivy level schools .

Sorry. 12 is max. Average (excluding ED) is 7 from our school. And it helps w admissions. Not sure what this shows about you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back in 2017, Colby and right after then U Chicago decided they'd let kids self report SAT scores instead of having kids pay College Board $15 or so per application to report scores. And within years, this was standard. It did nothing for colleges - but didn't hurt them either. It was purely for students. There was an unknown downside risk - what if kids lie when they self report. But colleges guess kids wouldnt - because it would have been useless - and they didn't.

It did take a lot of money from The College Board.

Why don't colleges try this again. For example, if colleges would require high schools to include on transcript how many colleges this student has applied to (hs has sent transcript to), apps would eventually tick down a bit.

Or maybe some other ideas?

It seems like you are trying to limit the craziness goin on these days. The answer is simple and almost every other country in the world uses it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's school only allows students to apply to 12 schools. They feature this restriction prominently on their school profile as a way of signaling that every application is a serious one. I think that helps with admissions and definitely helps with the time suck that is the application process.

It’s not your kids schools decision.

How many transcripts they send out is their decision.

[Anonymous]

Most AOs loathe the College Board.

Parents, alumni, boards, and politicians believe the College Board’s hype (and lobbying).

[Anonymous]

I still don't understand the OPs post. Is OP conflating the College Board and the Common App?

What does limiting or not limiting the number of apps have to do with pushing the CB?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the OPs post. Is OP conflating the College Board and the Common App?

What does limiting or not limiting the number of apps have to do with pushing the CB?

To add, colleges don't tell high schools what to put on transcripts. College Board doesn't either.

[Anonymous]

Common app should report if a kid ED’s somewhere because no one checks and students have started ED-ing to multiple colleges.
Agree that the fluff AP classes need to go. If it isn’t going to earn college credit do not call it AP. Those freshman & sophomore AP classes are only about making the College Board more money. They aren’t even especially rigorous—seen as an easy A plus additional GPA weight. Ridiculous. And these days a lot more colleges don’t even give you credit for AP economics so definitely not for pre-calculus, Env Sci, business, seminar, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Back in 2017, Colby and right after then U Chicago decided they'd let kids self report SAT scores instead of having kids pay College Board $15 or so per application to report scores. And within years, this was standard. It did nothing for colleges - but didn't hurt them either. It was purely for students. There was an unknown downside risk - what if kids lie when they self report. But colleges guess kids wouldnt - because it would have been useless - and they didn't.

It did take a lot of money from The College Board.

Why don't colleges try this again. For example, if colleges would require high schools to include on transcript how many colleges this student has applied to (hs has sent transcript to), apps would eventually tick down a bit.

Or maybe some other ideas?

I don't understand what you are asking, OP. Self-reported scores are verified with an official report at the one school where the student was admitted and enrolls.

I don't understand how the number of colleges a student has applied to appearing on the transcript would have any effect on how many a student chooses to apply to. The colleges cannot be identified. If it implied that the student would be unlikely to yield, then that high school would see its admissions go down, not a good thing for the high school.

If you are trying to think of ways to decrease the number of apps students submit, the primary way would be to increase certainty in the process. The massive uncertainty in holistic admissions is the reason for the long lists.

This is total BS. Colleges have been employing holistic admissions for decades. The problem is that every kid who “worked hard” in high school thinks they deserve to attend an Ivy or Ivy+ school. Now that the common app makes it infinitely easier to apply to more schools, every kid with a 1500+ on the SAT shotguns the Ivies with no regard for whether or not it will be a good fit. You want to address systemic problems, start with striving prestige whores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the OPs post. Is OP conflating the College Board and the Common App?

What does limiting or not limiting the number of apps have to do with pushing the CB?

+1
Such a nonsensical post.