UVA acceptances and socioeconomic status

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Anonymous wrote:I don't doubt it. The wealth of out-of-state kids in the first year class is absurd. My child went to a 55k private so is no stranger to being around money but has never seen wealth like there is at UVA among many OOS kids. They had a professor comment on it, unprovoked during office hours because the professor feels like it's really increased in recent years.

Hearing the same about private colleges. I think wealthy has just increased so much in the past few years. A nice, $2m house is now $3m or more. People feel poor making $500,000 a year.

500k feels poor?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Define “non-privileged.”

“non-privileged” = any kid who is other than white or Asian / Indian.

In other words: whites benefit from unearned privilege, just like Asians and Indians.

What unearned privilege do Asians and Indians have?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My take, based of nothing more than a 3 year unhealthy obsession watching college admissions trends as we helped our 25 and 26 grad-

MAGA made diversity a bad word. Unlike corporations who dropped DEI like a hot potatoe and probably never really cared about it either way, colleges actually do prefer a more diverse class. So socioeconomic diversity was the quick front runner to replace ethnic diversity. They thought they’d get a similar result but in a MAGA compliant way.

But the application drop didn’t happen. And they’re at risk of losing funding for any number of reasons, so full pay students are suddenly most attractive.

Good intentions but no actual changes this cycle.

I’m talking about it all colleges, not just UVA. Maybe next cycle socioeconomic diversity will be the hot thing. People said a rural zip code would be the hook so maybe that will come true.

Racial discrimination in pursuit of diversity is bad.
Kahlenberg wants to replace racial preferences with socioeconomic preferences and he believes it will yield significant racial diversity as a side effect. This doesn't actually happen unless you target predominantly urm high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard there is a link here. They are trying to take the non-privileged kids? But truly only anecdotal evidence. Anyone heard about this?

Where have you heard? What is the source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't doubt it. The wealth of out-of-state kids in the first year class is absurd. My child went to a 55k private so is no stranger to being around money but has never seen wealth like there is at UVA among many OOS kids. They had a professor comment on it, unprovoked during office hours because the professor feels like it's really increased in recent years.

UVA goes for a relatively low percentage of in state, compared to most others (UNC requires 85% in state?). Isn’t that against the mission of large public state universities?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't doubt it. The wealth of out-of-state kids in the first year class is absurd. My child went to a 55k private so is no stranger to being around money but has never seen wealth like there is at UVA among many OOS kids. They had a professor comment on it, unprovoked during office hours because the professor feels like it's really increased in recent years.

Hearing the same about private colleges. I think wealthy has just increased so much in the past few years. A nice, $2m house is now $3m or more. People feel poor making $500,000 a year.

500k feels poor?

DP. Not poor, but definitely don’t feel “rich”. Well-off, yes. Full pay private HS and full pay Ivies for 2. That was a choice. If we did public for all of that def would feel closer to very well-off. But our 401ks are large and house and rental property paid off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will be fun. Sigh.

Especially since fully half the posters will read only the title and assume the thread is about how UVA admissions are unfairly biased toward the rich, while the other half will read the OP and assume the thread is about how UVA admissions are unfairly biased toward the poor.

They are doing both. Large expensive publics are or will be losing the middle.

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I’ve heard the opposite.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't doubt it. The wealth of out-of-state kids in the first year class is absurd. My child went to a 55k private so is no stranger to being around money but has never seen wealth like there is at UVA among many OOS kids. They had a professor comment on it, unprovoked during office hours because the professor feels like it's really increased in recent years.

Hearing the same about private colleges. I think wealthy has just increased so much in the past few years. A nice, $2m house is now $3m or more. People feel poor making $500,000 a year.

500k feels poor?

DP. Not poor, but definitely don’t feel “rich”. Well-off, yes. Full pay private HS and full pay Ivies for 2. That was a choice. If we did public for all of that def would feel closer to very well-off. But our 401ks are large and house and rental property paid off.

You are absolutely ridiculous

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Define “non-privileged.”

“non-privileged” = any kid who is other than white or Asian / Indian.

In other words: whites benefit from unearned privilege, just like Asians and Indians.

What unearned privilege do Asians and Indians have?

Seriously? You are seriously asking an answer to the obvious?

Asian households in the United States have the highest median household income, significantly surpassing white and other households.

In 2022-2023, Asian median household income was approximately $108,000 to $113,000, compared to the next highest group, which was white household income of only $81,000 to $89,000.


That level of disparity doesn’t simply happen, not is it earned. The discrepancy is obvious evidence of racial bias in society, favoring Asians.

Nope, it is earned! In combination with high ambition, and policies favoring entry into the country in large numbers.

[Anonymous]

Have seen absolutely no indication this is going on at UVA OP, if anything, they seemed to have doubled down and are taking mostly full pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have seen absolutely no indication this is going on at UVA OP, if anything, they seemed to have doubled down and are taking mostly full pay.

How would you know who they’re “mostly taking” and whether they’re full pay? There are thousands of students beyond your little sample size who you know nothing about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define “non-privileged.”

“non-privileged” = any kid who is other than white or Asian / Indian.

In other words: whites benefit from unearned privilege, just like Asians and Indians.

What unearned privilege do Asians and Indians have?

Seriously? You are seriously asking an answer to the obvious?

Asian households in the United States have the highest median household income, significantly surpassing white and other households.

In 2022-2023, Asian median household income was approximately $108,000 to $113,000, compared to the next highest group, which was white household income of only $81,000 to $89,000.


That level of disparity doesn’t simply happen, not is it earned. The discrepancy is obvious evidence of racial bias in society, favoring Asians.

Asian household income is decent but the bamboo ceiling is real. Asians are tolerated, but not promoted for leadership roles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define “non-privileged.”

“non-privileged” = any kid who is other than white or Asian / Indian.

In other words: whites benefit from unearned privilege, just like Asians and Indians.

What unearned privilege do Asians and Indians have?

Seriously? You are seriously asking an answer to the obvious?

Asian households in the United States have the highest median household income, significantly surpassing white and other households.

In 2022-2023, Asian median household income was approximately $108,000 to $113,000, compared to the next highest group, which was white household income of only $81,000 to $89,000.


That level of disparity doesn’t simply happen, not is it earned. The discrepancy is obvious evidence of racial bias in society, favoring Asians.

Asian household income is decent but the bamboo ceiling is real. Asians are tolerated, but not promoted for leadership roles.

That is a ridiculous claim and not borne out by the disparity I posted. Only unearned privilege explains the disparity (which is even greater than white unearned privilege).

A lot of these immigrants post 2000 were only let into the country because of their technical skills. That is going to skew the average higher.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have seen absolutely no indication this is going on at UVA OP, if anything, they seemed to have doubled down and are taking mostly full pay.

How would you know who they’re “mostly taking” and whether they’re full pay? There are thousands of students beyond your little sample size who you know nothing about.

She can't. UVA is need blind.