Why unemployment is rising among young recent college grads

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Anonymous wrote:Hmm, did not seem like the #1 reason why. Do you have a gripe OP about federally permitted access to the curriculum?

How many people in the workforce get an assignment where the boss stays in the room, say's "you get 1 hour and not a minute more, go!" None. Ever.

Actually happens to government lawyers all the time.

When?

[Anonymous]

Old guard media is over

Bought and paid for

As a long time consumer of them, the difference is very noticeable

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Acc to the article young grads are entering the workforce without useful skills. A lot of them are used to getting accommodations for learning differences and then struggle in the workplace.



“The real problem is a mismatch between labor supply and demand. Government subsidies and public schools have funneled too many young people to credential mills, which churn out grads who lack the skills that employers demand. Many would be better off training in skilled trades, for which demand is enormous.

Colleges have added graduate programs in fields like urban planning, sustainability and fine arts to rake in more federal dollars. Students had been allowed to take out unlimited federal loans for graduate studies until last summer’s GOP tax bill capped borrowing at $200,000 for professional degrees (like medicine or law) and $100,000 for others.

One result: Young college grads enter a labor market that is saturated with heavily credentialed workers. But they have less work experience and are often less productive than their older counterparts. Many skated through college by relying on AI to do their work. Take ChatGPT away, and they struggle to function.

Some also struggle with executive functioning because of disability accommodations in high school and college that allowed them extra time to complete tests and assignments. More than 20% of undergrads at Harvard and Brown and 38% at Stanford have registered disabilities.

Employers are required by law to make accommodations for disabled workers, but that doesn’t mean they have to hire someone who can’t meet a deadline or doesn’t want to work on a weekend because she’s “cooked.” Or for that matter, someone who needs his hand held all the time—a common employer gripe about recent grads.”

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/why-unemployment-is-rising-among-young-college-grads-42d037da?st=3eeVwS&reflink=article_copyURL_share

I don’t understand why some people think recent graduates shouldn’t get the same or similar accommodations in the workplace as they are entitled to get at university.

Well we have been doing it since the ADA. I have been providing accommodations and implementing accommodations for decades.

Sign language interpreters, TTY, Franklin Covey classes, on and on and on

But what most kids are getting for accommodations these days is extra time on assignments. Client deadlines don't adjust for accomodations like that. Interpreters, physical accommodations, TTY, that doesn't change when the client receives the product they paid for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Acc to the article young grads are entering the workforce without useful skills. A lot of them are used to getting accommodations for learning differences and then struggle in the workplace.



“The real problem is a mismatch between labor supply and demand. Government subsidies and public schools have funneled too many young people to credential mills, which churn out grads who lack the skills that employers demand. Many would be better off training in skilled trades, for which demand is enormous.

Colleges have added graduate programs in fields like urban planning, sustainability and fine arts to rake in more federal dollars. Students had been allowed to take out unlimited federal loans for graduate studies until last summer’s GOP tax bill capped borrowing at $200,000 for professional degrees (like medicine or law) and $100,000 for others.

One result: Young college grads enter a labor market that is saturated with heavily credentialed workers. But they have less work experience and are often less productive than their older counterparts. Many skated through college by relying on AI to do their work. Take ChatGPT away, and they struggle to function.

Some also struggle with executive functioning because of disability accommodations in high school and college that allowed them extra time to complete tests and assignments. More than 20% of undergrads at Harvard and Brown and 38% at Stanford have registered disabilities.

Employers are required by law to make accommodations for disabled workers, but that doesn’t mean they have to hire someone who can’t meet a deadline or doesn’t want to work on a weekend because she’s “cooked.” Or for that matter, someone who needs his hand held all the time—a common employer gripe about recent grads.”

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/why-unemployment-is-rising-among-young-college-grads-42d037da?st=3eeVwS&reflink=article_copyURL_share

I don’t understand why some people think recent graduates shouldn’t get the same or similar accommodations in the workplace as they are entitled to get at university.

Why would an employer hire a new graduate that requires all these extra accommodations when there are a gazillion applicants who don't require all the extra hand-holding? All these extra accommodations may have helped someone glide through Stanford, but they turn into a pretty big liability when applying for demanding jobs in the real world.

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Nobody knows that they need accommodations til much later.
'I need direct instructions', she said after working for us for 6 months. It is all in the training manual. Do I have to read it to her once a month?
They have been through many interviews and trainings. They nail those. The family emergencies/deaths start on the first week.
Few say that they they changed their mind or we were not a good fit. They'd rather kill off Fido.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Acc to the article young grads are entering the workforce without useful skills. A lot of them are used to getting accommodations for learning differences and then struggle in the workplace.



“The real problem is a mismatch between labor supply and demand. Government subsidies and public schools have funneled too many young people to credential mills, which churn out grads who lack the skills that employers demand. Many would be better off training in skilled trades, for which demand is enormous.

Colleges have added graduate programs in fields like urban planning, sustainability and fine arts to rake in more federal dollars. Students had been allowed to take out unlimited federal loans for graduate studies until last summer’s GOP tax bill capped borrowing at $200,000 for professional degrees (like medicine or law) and $100,000 for others.

One result: Young college grads enter a labor market that is saturated with heavily credentialed workers. But they have less work experience and are often less productive than their older counterparts. Many skated through college by relying on AI to do their work. Take ChatGPT away, and they struggle to function.

Some also struggle with executive functioning because of disability accommodations in high school and college that allowed them extra time to complete tests and assignments. More than 20% of undergrads at Harvard and Brown and 38% at Stanford have registered disabilities.

Employers are required by law to make accommodations for disabled workers, but that doesn’t mean they have to hire someone who can’t meet a deadline or doesn’t want to work on a weekend because she’s “cooked.” Or for that matter, someone who needs his hand held all the time—a common employer gripe about recent grads.”

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/why-unemployment-is-rising-among-young-college-grads-42d037da?st=3eeVwS&reflink=article_copyURL_share

I don’t understand why some people think recent graduates shouldn’t get the same or similar accommodations in the workplace as they are entitled to get at university.

This made me lol. I am not hiring someone who needs snowflake accommodations (actual physical disabilities is different) when I can hire someone who does not need extra attention. My job isn't to handhold your kid. My job is to make sure my team meets its goals.

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What percent of graduates were receiving accommodations? Seems important to know before we blame that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What percent of graduates were receiving accommodations? Seems important to know before we blame that.

It's in the OP. "More than 20% of undergrads at Harvard and Brown and 38% at Stanford have registered disabilities."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What percent of graduates were receiving accommodations? Seems important to know before we blame that.

It's in the OP. "More than 20% of undergrads at Harvard and Brown and 38% at Stanford have registered disabilities."

Overall, not just from two schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Acc to the article young grads are entering the workforce without useful skills. A lot of them are used to getting accommodations for learning differences and then struggle in the workplace.



“The real problem is a mismatch between labor supply and demand. Government subsidies and public schools have funneled too many young people to credential mills, which churn out grads who lack the skills that employers demand. Many would be better off training in skilled trades, for which demand is enormous.

Colleges have added graduate programs in fields like urban planning, sustainability and fine arts to rake in more federal dollars. Students had been allowed to take out unlimited federal loans for graduate studies until last summer’s GOP tax bill capped borrowing at $200,000 for professional degrees (like medicine or law) and $100,000 for others.

One result: Young college grads enter a labor market that is saturated with heavily credentialed workers. But they have less work experience and are often less productive than their older counterparts. Many skated through college by relying on AI to do their work. Take ChatGPT away, and they struggle to function.

Some also struggle with executive functioning because of disability accommodations in high school and college that allowed them extra time to complete tests and assignments. More than 20% of undergrads at Harvard and Brown and 38% at Stanford have registered disabilities.

Employers are required by law to make accommodations for disabled workers, but that doesn’t mean they have to hire someone who can’t meet a deadline or doesn’t want to work on a weekend because she’s “cooked.” Or for that matter, someone who needs his hand held all the time—a common employer gripe about recent grads.”

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/why-unemployment-is-rising-among-young-college-grads-42d037da?st=3eeVwS&reflink=article_copyURL_share

I don’t understand why some people think recent graduates shouldn’t get the same or similar accommodations in the workplace as they are entitled to get at university.

Well we have been doing it since the ADA. I have been providing accommodations and implementing accommodations for decades.

Sign language interpreters, TTY, Franklin Covey classes, on and on and on

But what most kids are getting for accommodations these days is extra time on assignments. Client deadlines don't adjust for accomodations like that. Interpreters, physical accommodations, TTY, that doesn't change when the client receives the product they paid for.

That's not how the real world works.

Lawyers bill time not deliverables.

Also, for those that have deliverables that are due on X date... I don't say you have to work 8 hour days, if it take you 10 hours a day and you are getting paid for a deliverable, IDGAF how long it takes you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of graduates were receiving accommodations? Seems important to know before we blame that.

It's in the OP. "More than 20% of undergrads at Harvard and Brown and 38% at Stanford have registered disabilities."

Overall, not just from two schools.

From AI: "Approximately 21% of U.S. college students reported having a disability in 2020, up from 11% in 2004, indicating a sharp rise in students seeking accommodations, Government Accountability Office (GAO) (.gov), Council for Exceptional Children. While national data hovers around 21%, some elite institutions report much higher rates, with up to 38-40% of undergraduates registered for accommodations."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percent of graduates were receiving accommodations? Seems important to know before we blame that.

It's in the OP. "More than 20% of undergrads at Harvard and Brown and 38% at Stanford have registered disabilities."

spell check is an accommodation
voice to text is an accommodation
reading the screen is an accommodation

all these things are on the computer, and they have used them for years. It's not a big deal, you act like kids are asking for wheelchair accessibility to be installed.

[Anonymous]

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Lawyers bill time not deliverables.

Also, for those that have deliverables that are due on X date... I don't say you have to work 8 hour days, if it take you 10 hours a day and you are getting paid for a deliverable, IDGAF how long it takes you.

Unless its a fixed fee engagement which is becoming more common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's H1b visas - end those and we can employ college grads again

How many h1B visas do you think there are vs how many unemployed college grads. Do you think an unemployed English major can take the job of an H1b programmer?

The AI bit in the article is wrong. I wonder where they got this from. Is it just their opinion? Employers are looking for people who can use AI well to make them more efficient.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What percent of graduates were receiving accommodations? Seems important to know before we blame that.

It's in the OP. "More than 20% of undergrads at Harvard and Brown and 38% at Stanford have registered disabilities."

TBF, a lot of kids fake their disabilities in college. Read that article about Stanford and how kids there faked their disabilities to get those accommodations, like better dorm rooms.