What kind of college applicant is this?

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Anonymous wrote:40-75 range (30-40 would be reaches for him)

This kid is not getting into schools like Tufts, Wake Forest, Miami, even Clemson would be a reach. I’d look outside the T75.

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Anonymous wrote:Please help me understand how my son will be viewed as a college applicant and what kinds of schools he should realistically be aiming for. I see terms like "Target" and "Reach" and I wonder what bands of schools would match that for him. He's not going for very elite schools, but what about schools in the top 30-50 range? Top 100? And which bands of schools might be below his level academically? He's intrigued by a particular school that ranks in the low 200s nationally and another that ranks in the 20s regionally. Am I right in feeling these are below him, or do I need to get real about who he is as a student? I went to a very selective school, so my metrics might be off when it comes to a less competitive student. When I go to US News and World Report or a similar site, what rankings of school should I be looking at? What level of selectivity? His profile:

We're in the NYC suburbs, decent but not top-ranked public school, "most demanding" transcript designation with all AP courses junior year, GPA is 3.5 unweighted, SAT should crack 1400 but I don't expect much over that. He's been consistently involved in some school activities since freshman year like playing in a music ensemble, joining in the school musical every year, and a couple of clubs, but he's not president or leader of anything. He's also involved in his school's science research program (most schools around here seem to have a program like this) and is doing well, but I don't expect him to win any awards. And he does some volunteer work, 1-2 hours a week.

Your DS sounds great. We need more info.

What is your son's likely or intended major? Is he humanities (Eng/Hist/Phil), sciences, social sciences (Anthropology, Poli Sci, Psychology, Econ), Engineering, Fine Arts, etc.?

What kind of environment is your DS seeking? Big state school, small boarding-school type atmosphere (small LAC), mid-sized private? In city or suburb or rural? Artsy, nerdy, sporty, not sure?

Does he want to stay in Northeast? Mid-west? Northwest? Southwest? Southeast? US or Canada?

He is interested in geology, chemistry, biology, and environmental science. Not quite decided yet on which one, might want to explore a bit initially. As for size, he doesn't really know yet but he doesn't want huge. Not an athlete, more into the arts, but not interested in an arts major.

[Anonymous]

Can he apply as a music major?

Any music awards (there's still time - enter now!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please help me understand how my son will be viewed as a college applicant and what kinds of schools he should realistically be aiming for. I see terms like "Target" and "Reach" and I wonder what bands of schools would match that for him. He's not going for very elite schools, but what about schools in the top 30-50 range? Top 100? And which bands of schools might be below his level academically? He's intrigued by a particular school that ranks in the low 200s nationally and another that ranks in the 20s regionally. Am I right in feeling these are below him, or do I need to get real about who he is as a student? I went to a very selective school, so my metrics might be off when it comes to a less competitive student. When I go to US News and World Report or a similar site, what rankings of school should I be looking at? What level of selectivity? His profile:

We're in the NYC suburbs, decent but not top-ranked public school, "most demanding" transcript designation with all AP courses junior year, GPA is 3.5 unweighted, SAT should crack 1400 but I don't expect much over that. He's been consistently involved in some school activities since freshman year like playing in a music ensemble, joining in the school musical every year, and a couple of clubs, but he's not president or leader of anything. He's also involved in his school's science research program (most schools around here seem to have a program like this) and is doing well, but I don't expect him to win any awards. And he does some volunteer work, 1-2 hours a week.

Your DS sounds great. We need more info.

What is your son's likely or intended major? Is he humanities (Eng/Hist/Phil), sciences, social sciences (Anthropology, Poli Sci, Psychology, Econ), Engineering, Fine Arts, etc.?

What kind of environment is your DS seeking? Big state school, small boarding-school type atmosphere (small LAC), mid-sized private? In city or suburb or rural? Artsy, nerdy, sporty, not sure?

Does he want to stay in Northeast? Mid-west? Northwest? Southwest? Southeast? US or Canada?

He is interested in geology, chemistry, biology, and environmental science. Not quite decided yet on which one, might want to explore a bit initially. As for size, he doesn't really know yet but he doesn't want huge. Not an athlete, more into the arts, but not interested in an arts major.

science with those stats will be tough. he'll go down a few notches.

[Anonymous]

Wooster
Oberlin
Macalester
Wofford
Rhodes
Gettysburg
Muhlenberg

[Anonymous]

I think people are being overly harsh as the academic performance is very good. Not Ivy good, but very good. Need to pull up the SAT. Get it to 1450 even and a lot of very good schools are in play. Again, not Ivy, but better than the names being thrown around here.

What state are you in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please help me understand how my son will be viewed as a college applicant and what kinds of schools he should realistically be aiming for. I see terms like "Target" and "Reach" and I wonder what bands of schools would match that for him. He's not going for very elite schools, but what about schools in the top 30-50 range? Top 100? And which bands of schools might be below his level academically? He's intrigued by a particular school that ranks in the low 200s nationally and another that ranks in the 20s regionally. Am I right in feeling these are below him, or do I need to get real about who he is as a student? I went to a very selective school, so my metrics might be off when it comes to a less competitive student. When I go to US News and World Report or a similar site, what rankings of school should I be looking at? What level of selectivity? His profile:

We're in the NYC suburbs, decent but not top-ranked public school, "most demanding" transcript designation with all AP courses junior year, GPA is 3.5 unweighted, SAT should crack 1400 but I don't expect much over that. He's been consistently involved in some school activities since freshman year like playing in a music ensemble, joining in the school musical every year, and a couple of clubs, but he's not president or leader of anything. He's also involved in his school's science research program (most schools around here seem to have a program like this) and is doing well, but I don't expect him to win any awards. And he does some volunteer work, 1-2 hours a week.

Your DS sounds great. We need more info.

What is your son's likely or intended major? Is he humanities (Eng/Hist/Phil), sciences, social sciences (Anthropology, Poli Sci, Psychology, Econ), Engineering, Fine Arts, etc.?

What kind of environment is your DS seeking? Big state school, small boarding-school type atmosphere (small LAC), mid-sized private? In city or suburb or rural? Artsy, nerdy, sporty, not sure?

Does he want to stay in Northeast? Mid-west? Northwest? Southwest? Southeast? US or Canada?

He is interested in geology, chemistry, biology, and environmental science. Not quite decided yet on which one, might want to explore a bit initially. As for size, he doesn't really know yet but he doesn't want huge. Not an athlete, more into the arts, but not interested in an arts major.

Pitt is a great school for pre-med sciences (bio, chem, and research jobs). His GPA might be low, but applying early can help. It's a good school for humanities and social sciences so that makes distribution requirements more interesting.

There is a very small geology department.

https://www.geology.pitt.edu/

Applying with geology in mind but focus on a broader science education might give your student a hook. And an early acceptance.

The great thing about Pitt is that the Liberal Arts college (which contains non-Engineering STEM majors) is really at the heart of the University.

The broad science interest pattern does suggest a flagship for maximum choices. However, a more focused, smaller school might be better for getting strong grades and finding jobs.

Previously suggested Syracuse, Binghamton, and Penn State should be looked into. Syracuse and SUNY also have this interrelationship which I learned about from DCUM:

https://www.esf.edu/

"The SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry (ESF) in Syracuse, NY, is a specialized public research university focused on the environment, natural resources, and sustainability, and is the nation's oldest institution of its kind. It offers undergraduate and graduate programs in fields like forestry, conservation biology, and environmental engineering, leveraging a unique partnership with nearby Syracuse University"

[Anonymous]

With respect to environmental studies, this site offers suggestions such as Bates, Dickinson and Hobart:

2025 Best Colleges for Environmental Science - College Transitions https://share.google/3vB4AgtiVmZgX18Cl

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think people are being overly harsh as the academic performance is very good. Not Ivy good, but very good. Need to pull up the SAT. Get it to 1450 even and a lot of very good schools are in play. Again, not Ivy, but better than the names being thrown around here.

What state are you in?

This is a public school student with an unweighted B plus average in the ange of grade inflation and SAT below 1400. It really isn’t helpful to be unrealistic.

[Anonymous]

I believe Bucknell has a strong science programme, and they take 3.5 kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please help me understand how my son will be viewed as a college applicant and what kinds of schools he should realistically be aiming for. I see terms like "Target" and "Reach" and I wonder what bands of schools would match that for him. He's not going for very elite schools, but what about schools in the top 30-50 range? Top 100? And which bands of schools might be below his level academically? He's intrigued by a particular school that ranks in the low 200s nationally and another that ranks in the 20s regionally. Am I right in feeling these are below him, or do I need to get real about who he is as a student? I went to a very selective school, so my metrics might be off when it comes to a less competitive student. When I go to US News and World Report or a similar site, what rankings of school should I be looking at? What level of selectivity? His profile:

We're in the NYC suburbs, decent but not top-ranked public school, "most demanding" transcript designation with all AP courses junior year, GPA is 3.5 unweighted, SAT should crack 1400 but I don't expect much over that. He's been consistently involved in some school activities since freshman year like playing in a music ensemble, joining in the school musical every year, and a couple of clubs, but he's not president or leader of anything. He's also involved in his school's science research program (most schools around here seem to have a program like this) and is doing well, but I don't expect him to win any awards. And he does some volunteer work, 1-2 hours a week.

Your DS sounds great. We need more info.

What is your son's likely or intended major? Is he humanities (Eng/Hist/Phil), sciences, social sciences (Anthropology, Poli Sci, Psychology, Econ), Engineering, Fine Arts, etc.?

What kind of environment is your DS seeking? Big state school, small boarding-school type atmosphere (small LAC), mid-sized private? In city or suburb or rural? Artsy, nerdy, sporty, not sure?

Does he want to stay in Northeast? Mid-west? Northwest? Southwest? Southeast? US or Canada?

He is interested in geology, chemistry, biology, and environmental science. Not quite decided yet on which one, might want to explore a bit initially. As for size, he doesn't really know yet but he doesn't want huge. Not an athlete, more into the arts, but not interested in an arts major.

I agree with the others to not focus on rankings. Focus on a school that will do a great job of supporting what he wants to do. A strong program at a good regional school in the region where he wants to be is likely better than going a few notches up in ranking when it means being in a different area. Outside of really top schools, hiring and reputation is pretty regional. Budget is also a consideration.

I'd work on visits to get a better sense of the environment he wants. For those interests, maybe U of Vermont, or Colorado-Boulder, if he wants a bigger schools. Small regional schools with good environmental programs - SUNY ESF (nice option if he likes an urban setting + shared facilities with Syracuse gives access to a biggest school community), Paul Smiths, Juniata.

FWIW, my DD sounds similar (environmental/bio + arts) with uwGPA and SAT slightly higher. Didn't get into any reach schools and some higher-ranked admits were out of budget. She really wanted a small school and admits we could afford were generally in the USNews LAC rankings in the 50-80 range. Ended up at one of those and it's been a good fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are being overly harsh as the academic performance is very good. Not Ivy good, but very good. Need to pull up the SAT. Get it to 1450 even and a lot of very good schools are in play. Again, not Ivy, but better than the names being thrown around here.

What state are you in?

This is a public school student with an unweighted B plus average in the ange of grade inflation and SAT below 1400. It really isn’t helpful to be unrealistic.

3.5 is a B+/A- where I come from. All AP classes. It isn't stellar but not horrible. Agree that the SAT needs to be well into the 1400 range to get more traction but if they can do that, they are a decent candidate. Public vs. Private doesn't matter depending on the public - they were kind of vague in how they characterized the school. More specificity on that front would be helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe Bucknell has a strong science programme, and they take 3.5 kids.

For a private school, maybe, they favor them but op’s kid is at some random public that she says isn’t great, and he has almost no ecs and zero leadership.

I’d look at schools like Delaware, UMass, SUNY’s, Gettysburg, Muhkenberg, etc . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people are being overly harsh as the academic performance is very good. Not Ivy good, but very good. Need to pull up the SAT. Get it to 1450 even and a lot of very good schools are in play. Again, not Ivy, but better than the names being thrown around here.

What state are you in?

This is a public school student with an unweighted B plus average in the ange of grade inflation and SAT below 1400. It really isn’t helpful to be unrealistic.

3.5 is a B+/A- where I come from. All AP classes. It isn't stellar but not horrible. Agree that the SAT needs to be well into the 1400 range to get more traction but if they can do that, they are a decent candidate. Public vs. Private doesn't matter depending on the public - they were kind of vague in how they characterized the school. More specificity on that front would be helpful.

I don’t know where you come from, but it’s standard in the real world that a 3.7 is a A minus and a 3.5 is a B plus on a 4.0 said it wasn’t a top tier public.

[Anonymous]

I agree with the others to not focus on rankings. Focus on a school that will do a great job of supporting what he wants to do. A strong program at a good regional school in the region where he wants to be is likely better than going a few notches up in ranking when it means being in a different area. Outside of really top schools, hiring and reputation is pretty regional. Budget is also a consideration.

I'd work on visits to get a better sense of the environment he wants. For those interests, maybe U of Vermont, or Colorado-Boulder, if he wants a bigger schools. Small regional schools with good environmental programs - SUNY ESF (nice option if he likes an urban setting + shared facilities with Syracuse gives access to a biggest school community), Paul Smiths, Juniata.

FWIW, my DD sounds similar (environmental/bio + arts) with uwGPA and SAT slightly higher. Didn't get into any reach schools and some higher-ranked admits were out of budget. She really wanted a small school and admits we could afford were generally in the USNews LAC rankings in the 50-80 range. Ended up at one of those and it's been a good fit.

Are you comfortable with sharing which school? Or which schools she got into that offered good merit aid? I'm the OP and I'd love to know, because affordability matters to us too. Not going to get any financial aid but would love to have good merit offers.