NVSL Athlete Eligibility

[Anonymous]

To the parents with their boxers or panties or is it boxers or is it panties in a twist: most kids sign up for summer swim between the ages of five and seven. I’m not sure how many 5 to 7-year-old boys are running around in girls bathing suits, but the answer has to be pretty much zero. So if you were a boy last year, you’re a boy this year.

Record keeping training? Get a life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the parents with their boxers or panties or is it boxers or is it panties in a twist: most kids sign up for summer swim between the ages of five and seven. I’m not sure how many 5 to 7-year-old boys are running around in girls bathing suits, but the answer has to be pretty much zero. So if you were a boy last year, you’re a boy this year.

Record keeping training? Get a life.

If the ask is for teams to keep copies birth certificates, then that is not a trivial ask and has legal (and PII) risk. But if no one cares, then sure it's much ado about nothing. All that is to say, it's a fair question in the abence of any implementation details.

[Anonymous]

One would hope that pools and parents will just follow the new rule.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the parents with their boxers or panties or is it boxers or is it panties in a twist: most kids sign up for summer swim between the ages of five and seven. I’m not sure how many 5 to 7-year-old boys are running around in girls bathing suits, but the answer has to be pretty much zero. So if you were a boy last year, you’re a boy this year.

Record keeping training? Get a life.

Big surprise this is actually pretty ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the parents with their boxers or panties or is it boxers or is it panties in a twist: most kids sign up for summer swim between the ages of five and seven. I’m not sure how many 5 to 7-year-old boys are running around in girls bathing suits, but the answer has to be pretty much zero. So if you were a boy last year, you’re a boy this year.

Record keeping training? Get a life.

Big surprise this is actually pretty ignorant.

Can you explain which part you find ignorant?

I'm assuming the part about "the answer has to be pretty much zero", which seems correct given the number of trans athletes nationally in America, even accounting for the volume that people are never aware of (which isn't really their business, IMO). Given the total number of swimmers in NVSL (over 18,000) it's not like we're talking about 200, or even 100, swimmers. Less than 1%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is for the best. I am appreciative that the NVSL is seeking to align themselves with other swimming organizations.

Agree. And I hope CSL follows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One would hope that pools and parents will just follow the new rule.....

As a team rep I don’t plan on enforcing this. I don’t get paid enough to check birth certificates or stare at kids private parts.

[Anonymous]

I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

Hear that, team reps. If you knowingly ignore and someone complains, your team would be known as cheaters. Talk about shame and humiliation to your pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

Hear that, team reps. If you knowingly ignore and someone complains, your team would be known as cheaters. Talk about shame and humiliation to your pool.

I don't think that is what the prior poster was saying.

I am a team rep and we talk. As a whole we do not want a biological boy swimming as a girl. The prior unwritten rule was bullshit. Which I won't even go into what it was before, so this is a welcome improvement. I have friends with trans kids, but for the most part no one thinks a biological boy should be swimming against a girl post puberty.

The poster was saying we know if a kid was always a boy on the team and then suddenly wants to be a girl. If that kid wants to now swim as a girl, the answer is no. There is no need to look at Vital records or be all dramatic about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

Hear that, team reps. If you knowingly ignore and someone complains, your team would be known as cheaters. Talk about shame and humiliation to your pool.

I don't think that is what the prior poster was saying.

I am a team rep and we talk. As a whole we do not want a biological boy swimming as a girl. The prior unwritten rule was bullshit. Which I won't even go into what it was before, so this is a welcome improvement. I have friends with trans kids, but for the most part no one thinks a biological boy should be swimming against a girl post puberty.

The poster was saying we know if a kid was always a boy on the team and then suddenly wants to be a girl. If that kid wants to now swim as a girl, the answer is no. There is no need to look at Vital records or be all dramatic about it.

So you're saying my kid should change their name and switch teams if they want to transition?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

This is my issue with these blanket policies. I do think there is a difference between kids who transitioned early and were placed on puberty blockers and those who have gone through male puberty. I know a child who was placed on puberty blockers; you would not guess they are trans and they have no physical advantage over cis girls. There are actually some cis girls on our team that could be questionable as they are bigger and stronger than many of the boys their age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

This is my issue with these blanket policies. I do think there is a difference between kids who transitioned early and were placed on puberty blockers and those who have gone through male puberty. I know a child who was placed on puberty blockers; you would not guess they are trans and they have no physical advantage over cis girls. There are actually some cis girls on our team that could be questionable as they are bigger and stronger than many of the boys their age.

So this is also where I call BS. Less than 0.1 of minors take gender affirming meds (8-17 years of age) and that works out to less than 400 some kids in the U.S PREPUBERTY, actually probably less. Yet, everyone seems to know someone that is taking them prepuberty and says oh, you would never know. And, now it is not allowed for minors, so the practice has stopped for any new patient. So it is no longer occurring, which means any kid competing as a trans girl would not be on blockers, so it would not be appropriate. Problem solved for the feminist out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad NVSL came out with a clear rule, and I agree the concerns about 'records' and 'inspections' are specious. Several years ago when the trans stuff first started happening people could legitimately think that there was this tiny tiny group of kids who felt this way from birth and could be 'cured' by being allowed to transition to the other gender. And honestly no one is terribly concerned about a child who transitions before puberty. Go to the present- we have the tragedy of sudden onset gender issues in adolescence, and kids who have gone through puberty all of a sudden presenting as the opposite gender. You don't need to police it or inspect, you just can't let John who has swum with the boys from age 6 on, suddenly decide at 15 he is a girl and switch to the girls.

This is my issue with these blanket policies. I do think there is a difference between kids who transitioned early and were placed on puberty blockers and those who have gone through male puberty. I know a child who was placed on puberty blockers; you would not guess they are trans and they have no physical advantage over cis girls. There are actually some cis girls on our team that could be questionable as they are bigger and stronger than many of the boys their age.

So this is also where I call BS. Less than 0.1 of minors take gender affirming meds (8-17 years of age) and that works out to less than 400 some kids in the U.S PREPUBERTY, actually probably less. Yet, everyone seems to know someone that is taking them prepuberty and says oh, you would never know. And, now it is not allowed for minors, so the practice has stopped for any new patient. So it is no longer occurring, which means any kid competing as a trans girl would not be on blockers, so it would not be appropriate. Problem solved for the feminist out there.

Guess I should play the lottery then. But hey you are just another Maggot warrior who knows everything...

[Anonymous]

Since this is such a huge issue apparently, how many trans kids won Divisions or All Stars last year?