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Anonymous wrote:Yep. Got one too. Disappointing mistake. The level of gross incompetence in the girls lacrosse world never seizes to amaze....

For those that think BIC isn't directly linked to recruiting and getting looks, BIC posted the Penn St commits for 2027, 7 of them at BIC for Penn St, its like she exclusively recruited off that event.

Or the colleges ask for the kids they want to recruit. To think that they get recruited “from” the event is naive.

You don’t have a 2026 or 2027, or you just aren’t dialed into how recruiting works. This isn’t college football with 7/8 coaches are reviewing film and having certain geographic locations on their plate.

Not being on BIC at this moment, 100% rules out certain kids going to certain schools.

It sucks but it’s reality.

I'm struggling with the math here. T20 programs alone take around 200 girls annually, and clearly not all BIC invitees are at that level. Not being invited to an event with 190 attendees can’t possibly rule anything out. By summer, rising juniors will have been seen multiple times and even attended prospect clinics on campus. While there’s likely a strong correlation, coaches definitely don’t rely solely on Deemer Class to let them know who is a good fit for their program.

Don't feed into it. This person was on another thread as well going on and on about how you have to be at BIC to get recruited, get ranked, yada yada. BIC is the best event because it currently attracts the best players, the players are not the best players BECAUSE they go to BIC. My DD plays for a top ten club and recruiting director says VAST majority of interest comes from playing at tournaments. Now I guess BIC could seem more necessary if you're not getting good exposure at tournaments, but it's certainly not end all be all.

Yes that was me and I did do some analysis on what was clear to me on 2027, of the top ranked 50 kids in 2027, two I could not find BIC evidence. The rest, BIC.

Yes, your club director is correct, vast majority of interest comes from club tournament play, but interest does not equal offers. Some schools like Duke have interest in a few hundred kids but offer only 7-10.


It all depends on what you are targeting.

The influence of BIC over recruiting is undeniable though.

Again, BIC is the hottest ticket in town, not just because of exposure but also because of FOMO.

The best players, who would be the best regardless and who would be recruited regardless, go to BIC. This is why you are seeing evidence of top 50 recruits being at BIC. NOT because BIC made them the top 50. Also, many (not all) of the girls angling for top 50 are at every event - from IDX to Juniors Open - they are campaigning and all these appearances have an influence - of course they're going to hit BIC.

Now, what I won't deny is that if you're one of the lucky few who gets an endorsement from Deemer, it can raise your stock depending on who's paying attention - but this only applies to a select few.

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Don’t get me started on the correlation between top 50 players and Gait sticks. if you got the wrong stick, you ain’t gonna get picked.

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+1

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so if you missed the boat on BIC what is the next best option?

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. Got one too. Disappointing mistake. The level of gross incompetence in the girls lacrosse world never seizes to amaze....

For those that think BIC isn't directly linked to recruiting and getting looks, BIC posted the Penn St commits for 2027, 7 of them at BIC for Penn St, its like she exclusively recruited off that event.

Or the colleges ask for the kids they want to recruit. To think that they get recruited “from” the event is naive.

You don’t have a 2026 or 2027, or you just aren’t dialed into how recruiting works. This isn’t college football with 7/8 coaches are reviewing film and having certain geographic locations on their plate.

Not being on BIC at this moment, 100% rules out certain kids going to certain schools.

It sucks but it’s reality.

I'm struggling with the math here. T20 programs alone take around 200 girls annually, and clearly not all BIC invitees are at that level. Not being invited to an event with 190 attendees can’t possibly rule anything out. By summer, rising juniors will have been seen multiple times and even attended prospect clinics on campus. While there’s likely a strong correlation, coaches definitely don’t rely solely on Deemer Class to let them know who is a good fit for their program.

Careful, you're treading dangerously close to a closely held secret. If you are just looking at the top 20 programs OR even just the top 20 of the academic schools that offer women's lacrosse you are looking at 200 total spots. This is decieving since the average class size is 8-10 with a rough breakout of 1 goalie, 1 draw specialist, 2 defenders, 3 mid and 3 attack. So, if little Jenny is a middie on a Capital, M&D or Skywalkers and goes to Visi, GC or Maryvale, her universe is really far less than 200 but rather its approximately 60 as you're just looking at the middie spots. Depending on how the college plays, there could be additional reductions based on whether the player is left or right handed, etc. But at end of the day this is a game of musical chairs. BIC can help with exposure but it is much more of a transactional play with Deemer. Lots of pig ball at BIC and preference for those coming from a certain high school or area. Regardless the instruction is solid, but just go in eyes wide open since BIC was not impactful in my children's recruiting at all. Good luck.

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What was impactful then if BIC was not?

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. Got one too. Disappointing mistake. The level of gross incompetence in the girls lacrosse world never seizes to amaze....

For those that think BIC isn't directly linked to recruiting and getting looks, BIC posted the Penn St commits for 2027, 7 of them at BIC for Penn St, its like she exclusively recruited off that event.

Or the colleges ask for the kids they want to recruit. To think that they get recruited “from” the event is naive.

You don’t have a 2026 or 2027, or you just aren’t dialed into how recruiting works. This isn’t college football with 7/8 coaches are reviewing film and having certain geographic locations on their plate.

Not being on BIC at this moment, 100% rules out certain kids going to certain schools.

It sucks but it’s reality.

I'm struggling with the math here. T20 programs alone take around 200 girls annually, and clearly not all BIC invitees are at that level. Not being invited to an event with 190 attendees can’t possibly rule anything out. By summer, rising juniors will have been seen multiple times and even attended prospect clinics on campus. While there’s likely a strong correlation, coaches definitely don’t rely solely on Deemer Class to let them know who is a good fit for their program.

Don't feed into it. This person was on another thread as well going on and on about how you have to be at BIC to get recruited, get ranked, yada yada. BIC is the best event because it currently attracts the best players, the players are not the best players BECAUSE they go to BIC. My DD plays for a top ten club and recruiting director says VAST majority of interest comes from playing at tournaments. Now I guess BIC could seem more necessary if you're not getting good exposure at tournaments, but it's certainly not end all be all.

The last comment couldn’t be further from the truth. There’s too many tournaments with too many teams for college recruiters to go to. The real hype is that your club program recruiting director wants to keep you beholden to them. College recruiters hate club lacrosse just ask Danowski at Duke. Too much pay to play and daddy ball. College coaches target the players they want to see and they do that through showcases. BIC invites who they consider top flight potential and concentrates them in one place several times a year. College recruiters are interested in individual players not teams. They want to see how they play in an environment where they have to adapt to being on a team of strangers. They look at athleticism, teamwork, Lax IQ, and emotional intelligence. The question is how does this player react to pressure in unfamiliar surroundings. A good performance could lead to an all-star spot, then to an IL eval, and finally stars. All you have to do is match the top 25 commits to IL ratings and attendance at BIC. It objectively speaks for itself. Does it mean all is lost if a player doesn’t get an invite? No its just a harder row to hoe to get noticed.

BIC and IL are the most impartial view of a player the college coaches can get. If it wasn’t no one would care about star ratings. Deemer runs a great operation. Other shoe cases have been very disappointing in terms of quality and organization. BIC is consistently attended by head coaches and off/def coordinators not the assistant to the assistant ball boy.

The most important factors in getting into a top flight program
1. Strong academics at a high school with some level of rigor
2. Strong high school lacrosse with a coach with a solid reputation
3. Not a behavioral risk
4. High Lax IQ and Emotional IQ

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Anonymous wrote:What was impactful then if BIC was not?

BIC is impactful, as is Juniors, which both gets college coaches eyeballs on a select group of girls over multiple days. That there is huge.

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Anonymous wrote:What was impactful then if BIC was not?

BIC is impactful, as is Juniors, which both gets college coaches eyeballs on a select group of girls over multiple days. That there is huge.

Juniors is way overrated. Total cattle call with players of all skill levels. It was a mess last year.

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Two summers ago, Juniors was great for my daughter. Her team there had nothing but top players. They did go undefeated, so maybe it wasn't all teams. There were a ton of college coaches there, including the school she committed to currently in Top 10. She'd been to all the big events, but liked the organization of that one the most. She thought BIC environment was too ego focused, but the girls at BIC are clearly all very good.

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Anonymous wrote:What was impactful then if BIC was not?

BIC is impactful, as is Juniors, which both gets college coaches eyeballs on a select group of girls over multiple days. That there is huge.

Juniors is way overrated. Total cattle call with players of all skill levels. It was a mess last year.

Interesting. The director of the top MD club told parents that attending JO is the most impactful after BIC.

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Anonymous wrote:What was impactful then if BIC was not?

BIC is impactful, as is Juniors, which both gets college coaches eyeballs on a select group of girls over multiple days. That there is huge.

Juniors is way overrated. Total cattle call with players of all skill levels. It was a mess last year.

Interesting. The director of the top MD club told parents that attending JO is the most impactful after BIC.

They are correct, as a 2027 parent

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I don’t your high school lacrosse or coach is a high factor. Influence for sure but think club you play for is more importan.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. Got one too. Disappointing mistake. The level of gross incompetence in the girls lacrosse world never ceases to amaze....

For those that think BIC isn't directly linked to recruiting and getting looks, BIC posted the Penn St commits for 2027, 7 of them at BIC for Penn St, its like she exclusively recruited off that event.

Or the colleges ask for the kids they want to recruit. To think that they get recruited “from” the event is naive.

You don’t have a 2026 or 2027, or you just aren’t dialed into how recruiting works. This isn’t college football with 7/8 coaches are reviewing film and having certain geographic locations on their plate.

Not being on BIC at this moment, 100% rules out certain kids going to certain schools.

It sucks but it’s reality.

I'm struggling with the math here. T20 programs alone take around 200 girls annually, and clearly not all BIC invitees are at that level. Not being invited to an event with 190 attendees can’t possibly rule anything out. By summer, rising juniors will have been seen multiple times and even attended prospect clinics on campus. While there’s likely a strong correlation, coaches definitely don’t rely solely on Deemer Class to let them know who is a good fit for their program.

Don't feed into it. This person was on another thread as well going on and on about how you have to be at BIC to get recruited, get ranked, yada yada. BIC is the best event because it currently attracts the best players, the players are not the best players BECAUSE they go to BIC. My DD plays for a top ten club and recruiting director says VAST majority of interest comes from playing at tournaments. Now I guess BIC could seem more necessary if you're not getting good exposure at tournaments, but it's certainly not end all be all.

The last comment couldn’t be further from the truth. There’s too many tournaments with too many teams for college recruiters to go to. The real hype is that your club program recruiting director wants to keep you beholden to them. College recruiters hate club lacrosse just ask Danowski at Duke. Too much pay to play and daddy ball. College coaches target the players they want to see and they do that through showcases. BIC invites who they consider top flight potential and concentrates them in one place several times a year. College recruiters are interested in individual players not teams. They want to see how they play in an environment where they have to adapt to being on a team of strangers. They look at athleticism, teamwork, Lax IQ, and emotional intelligence. The question is how does this player react to pressure in unfamiliar surroundings. A good performance could lead to an all-star spot, then to an IL eval, and finally stars. All you have to do is match the top 25 commits to IL ratings and attendance at BIC. It objectively speaks for itself. Does it mean all is lost if a player doesn’t get an invite? No its just a harder row to hoe to get noticed.

BIC and IL are the most impartial view of a player the college coaches can get. If it wasn’t no one would care about star ratings. Deemer runs a great operation. Other shoe cases have been very disappointing in terms of quality and organization. BIC is consistently attended by head coaches and off/def coordinators not the assistant to the assistant ball boy.

The most important factors in getting into a top flight program
1. Strong academics at a high school with some level of rigor
2. Strong high school lacrosse with a coach with a solid reputation
3. Not a behavioral risk
4. High Lax IQ and Emotional IQ

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Strong academics? Every kid has a 4.0 now.

Most did not use SAT score because it wasn’t a strong score.

In hindsight, academics are such an overrated factor in recruiting, if you’re talented enough, they don’t care. If you are a good not great player, your in same group as all the rest of the kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Strong academics? Every kid has a 4.0 now.

Most did not use SAT score because it wasn’t a strong score.

In hindsight, academics are such an overrated factor in recruiting, if you’re talented enough, they don’t care. If you are a good not great player, your in same group as all the rest of the kids.

High SAT score with the high grades (don’t need AP though) and high talent make the coaches job easy given all else being equal. Coaches want that type of recruit more than the outlier player who has shitty grades, low SAT but insane talent that they have to work through the admissions process… Grades and SAT do matter A LOt!