Irony of Make America Great Again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:- Also, Trump was not elected by a “wide majority”. His popular vote margin was razor-thin.

- College continues to be unaffordable. MAGA is telling young people not to bother. Young women are being urged to skip higher education and have babies. Young men are being told diplomas are worthless and a waste of time.

Of course, MAGA elites continue to send their children to college. They don’t want the competition.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the slogan means returning to mainstream values where america was a melting pot, a mosaic of people who tried hard and sometimes succeeded.

Forging a place where we were not finger pointing and demanding shame and apologies for having wealth or success. Where wealth is seen as an achievement and not an entitlement.

A place where children who worked hard could go to a state college, a place where 30 year olds could buy a house— and place where things were generally comfortable and not confrontational. Everyday. Every site.

I think many people became upset and marginalized over the past eight years. They felt pushed out and shamed. The pandemic, which needlessly dragged on, hurt the American psyche — and certainly helped drive crisis in our American youth.
Parents suffered. Children suffered. Classrooms were frozen in time with green St Patrick’s Day decorations. For years.

Things were not good. The slogan means change. Obama said change. He won. This man says change, by returning to root values. He won. A wide majority of people agreed and elected him to be our civilized and military leader. He won. If you are not asking why, you might be missing the point.

OMG this was never America. It was America for white privileged people.
And what has Trump ever done to make things more affordable?
And the past 8 years? Guess who was President for half of that time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While "Make America Great Again" actually becomes more appropriate the longer DT/MAGA are in power and take the US down the drain, when will MAGA supporters realize the irony of adhering this slogan the longer their party is in power?
Seems like an untapped opportunity for non-MAGA - Dems/independents should re-brand and take over the slogan as a rallying cry.

Maga: make America gaseous always. that orange and his Cheetos

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the slogan means returning to mainstream values where america was a melting pot, a mosaic of people who tried hard and sometimes succeeded.

Forging a place where we were not finger pointing and demanding shame and apologies for having wealth or success. Where wealth is seen as an achievement and not an entitlement.

A place where children who worked hard could go to a state college, a place where 30 year olds could buy a house— and place where things were generally comfortable and not confrontational. Everyday. Every site.

I think many people became upset and marginalized over the past eight years. They felt pushed out and shamed. The pandemic, which needlessly dragged on, hurt the American psyche — and certainly helped drive crisis in our American youth.
Parents suffered. Children suffered. Classrooms were frozen in time with green St Patrick’s Day decorations. For years.

Things were not good. The slogan means change. Obama said change. He won. This man says change, by returning to root values. He won. A wide majority of people agreed and elected him to be our civilized and military leader. He won. If you are not asking why, you might be missing the point.

OMG this was never America. It was America for white privileged people.
And what has Trump ever done to make things more affordable?
And the past 8 years? Guess who was President for half of that time?

Yeah they want to return to when we had a non-white underclass who worked for less money , went to worse schools, etc and basically made life comfortable and affordable for the white middle and upper class

[Anonymous]

He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Classrooms were frozen in time with green St Patrick’s Day decorations. For years.

What?

Is there a teacher somewhere dressed in a tattered green leprechaun outfit like Miss Havisham, surrounded by cobwebbed shamrocks and pots of gold from 2020?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:- Also, Trump was not elected by a “wide majority”. His popular vote margin was razor-thin.

- College continues to be unaffordable. MAGA is telling young people not to bother. Young women are being urged to skip higher education and have babies. Young men are being told diplomas are worthless and a waste of time.

Of course, MAGA elites continue to send their children to college. They don’t want the competition.

College is unaffordable because the govt is paying the majority of the educational bill and there's no feedback to higher education that they're raising tuition to soak up that free govt money.

If I hand you a check for $75K and say go buy a car, will you have any heartburn on its cost versus it coming out of your own budget?

If you say you would look at it the same no matter what, you're lying. The feedback between price discovery of the consumer and the provider fails when govt inserts itself to pay for "free" stuff. It needs to stop. We're a bigger welfare state than the Soviet Union ever was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

Dems don’t fall for lazy election denial trolling. We’re not Republicans! Give it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

Dems don’t fall for lazy election denial trolling. We’re not Republicans! Give it up.

They bring stats and data. And Trump, Elon, and his kid told you too.

But go ahead believing that a criminal with an oatmeal brain really swept the battleground states by JUST enough to not prompt an automatic recount and that the number of people who voted split ticket went up 30000%. Sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the slogan means returning to mainstream values where america was a melting pot, a mosaic of people who tried hard and sometimes succeeded.

Forging a place where we were not finger pointing and demanding shame and apologies for having wealth or success. Where wealth is seen as an achievement and not an entitlement.

A place where children who worked hard could go to a state college, a place where 30 year olds could buy a house— and place where things were generally comfortable and not confrontational. Everyday. Every site.

I think many people became upset and marginalized over the past eight years. They felt pushed out and shamed. The pandemic, which needlessly dragged on, hurt the American psyche — and certainly helped drive crisis in our American youth.
Parents suffered. Children suffered. Classrooms were frozen in time with green St Patrick’s Day decorations. For years.

Things were not good. The slogan means change. Obama said change. He won. This man says change, by returning to root values. He won. A wide majority of people agreed and elected him to be our civilized and military leader. He won. If you are not asking why, you might be missing the point.

OMG this was never America. It was America for white privileged people.
And what has Trump ever done to make things more affordable?
And the past 8 years? Guess who was President for half of that time?

Yeah they want to return to when we had a non-white underclass who worked for less money , went to worse schools, etc and basically made life comfortable and affordable for the white middle and upper class

The problem with this is that a lot of poor rural white MAGAs will become the underclass (but just don't realize it yet)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

PP you responded to

I’m not objecting to this lawsuit, or any lawsuit. I specifically suggested that filing lawsuits is the correct way to address concerns. What I objected to is the PP misrepresenting this article about this lawsuit and using it to promote a conspiracy that Donald Trump lost the election, when that isn’t what the article claims. If you are suggesting that other lawsuits in other states that indicate a pattern, you need to provide links to back up that assertion, because blatantly lying about the only link provided undermines the credibility of such an argument.

On the other hand, while Democratic leadership seems to be floundering on whether to blame their loss on campaign messaging, candidate choice, the nominating “process” of supporting a weak candidate (Biden) until he dropped out late in the cycle and was replaced by an annointed Harris, the racist/sexist and generally flawed electorate, or various other factors, there hasn’t been an outcry over fraud. Even googling “democrats on validity of 2024 election results” turns up practically nothing. As I don’t consider the Democrats as too stupid to notice, nor as too shy to speak up, I am not inclined to trust isolated, anonymous claims about stolen elections from conspiracists who lie about their “evidence”.

In other words, put up or shut up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- Also, Trump was not elected by a “wide majority”. His popular vote margin was razor-thin.

- College continues to be unaffordable. MAGA is telling young people not to bother. Young women are being urged to skip higher education and have babies. Young men are being told diplomas are worthless and a waste of time.

Of course, MAGA elites continue to send their children to college. They don’t want the competition.

College is unaffordable because the govt is paying the majority of the educational bill and there's no feedback to higher education that they're raising tuition to soak up that free govt money.

If I hand you a check for $75K and say go buy a car, will you have any heartburn on its cost versus it coming out of your own budget?

If you say you would look at it the same no matter what, you're lying. The feedback between price discovery of the consumer and the provider fails when govt inserts itself to pay for "free" stuff. It needs to stop. We're a bigger welfare state than the Soviet Union ever was.

The car analogy is incorrect. You’re talking about public colleges, which get some state and federal support. Families still bear a considerable portion of the tuition, room and board, and fees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t win. Lawsuit to follow here:

https://www.newsweek.com/judge-2024-election-lawsuit-timeline-2084468

I voted against Trump and wish he had lost, but that’s not what this article is claiming. It addresses voting irregularities in a single NY county. There seem to be two issues of concern:

An independent Senate candidate was credited with receiving only 5 votes and 7 people have filed statements that they voted for her.

9% of the Democratic Senate candidate’s voters did not also vote Harris, which is statistically significant.

The article then quotes a political science professor who indicated that none of these irregularities would have affected the outcomes of any elections.

Like it or not (and I don’t), Trump won. Misrepresenting news articles to promote conspiracies is as reprehensible as Trump’s continued election denial for the 2020 race. I am sure that the Democrats had an army of political scientists, statisticians, and lawyers who would have raised the alarm and fought the election in court (as the Republicans attempted and subsequently lost every case after the 2020 election). In both 2020 and 2024, due process was followed and the elections, however you may feel about either, were valid. While Trump is undoubtedly corrupt and a danger to our democracy, adopting his corrupt tactics is not the way to stand against him, but will only divide and weaken America. Instead, Americans who want to preserve our freedom need to call out the bad actors on both sides, regardless of their political affiliations, lest we similarly endanger America while also becoming hypocrites. Ultimately, the only ones who benefit from dividing America through promoting unfounded conspiracies are hostile foreign powers.

Get off your high horse. This is one lawsuit. Read up on these organizations suing and you’ll see they found the same irregularities in other states. They bring all the data, not magic fairy dust.

Exactly.

This is not old man yelling at cloud and ordering mentally deficient meatbots to attack the capitol, these are evidence based investigations.