PVS Open - Maryland - not on MM?

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Anonymous wrote:This matters more now since MM (and SWIMS) are potentially the only place where PVS will consistently publish results, even if the MM times are unofficial. My child tried to see her time on the board, but it usually changes before he can see it. And timers are always off from the touchpad.

This is completely false. PVS is still publishing results on its website- just in PDF form instead of hytec form. And PVS is giving the results to every participant team. Don't worry- your swimmer will get their time, no matter what happens with meet mobile.

This isn’t a PVS complaint. The issue is also the VSI-PVS overlap, and doing block parties at Freedom and other venues in VSI prevents PVS from having to pay the encroachment fee. Block parties are NOT published on PVS website. And now they are only on SWIMS. So Meet Mobile is one of the only ways to get results from block party meets (which PVS is not using in the way USA Swimming imagined and, instead, are using as an end-run around the VSI venue fees).

These meet results are all on USA swimming. Block party meets don’t need to be sanctioned by an LSC, that’s why they don’t necessarily appear on LSC sites. The NCAP block party meet that was at Freedom is on Swimmetry and Swimstandards as well. The USAS site will have the official times.

[Anonymous]

The block party concern is a separate concern than the pvs open. I do agree that what we are seeing is a misuse of block party. I’m curious if someone will take action to stop it. I suspect all ‘pvs’ meets that are in prince William/ stafford/ warren etc will be block party. That being said your team has those results. You should be able to get times from your team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The block party concern is a separate concern than the pvs open. I do agree that what we are seeing is a misuse of block party. I’m curious if someone will take action to stop it. I suspect all ‘pvs’ meets that are in prince William/ stafford/ warren etc will be block party. That being said your team has those results. You should be able to get times from your team.

Oh, I know we will see them eventually. But we are raising a bunch of kids who are use to instant information. 🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The block party concern is a separate concern than the pvs open. I do agree that what we are seeing is a misuse of block party. I’m curious if someone will take action to stop it. I suspect all ‘pvs’ meets that are in prince William/ stafford/ warren etc will be block party. That being said your team has those results. You should be able to get times from your team.

We swim at an NCAP-Virginia site, and all our national team group swimmers only go to larger, USA-Swimming certified meets (largely outside of PVS-proper) so the times will count for the sectionals and above meets. I guess PVS is less concerned about all our 12Us because, well, only a small handful of 12 year olds have a sectional cut.

[Anonymous]

This really isn’t even the point of a block party meet. To my understand they are a way for smaller teams / LSCs to run more meets when it’s hard to gather all the officials / etc needed. Probably more also when distances are further inside the LSC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This really isn’t even the point of a block party meet. To my understand they are a way for smaller teams / LSCs to run more meets when it’s hard to gather all the officials / etc needed. Probably more also when distances are further inside the LSC.

Yes, a few of us noted above that PVS seems to be using the block party model more as a way to use facilities outside of PVS jurisdiction rather than as a way to run a more efficient, less cumbersome meet for smaller clubs or less committed swimmers. The block party model emanated from Swim Atlanta’s decision not to register a large chunk of its less involved swimmers with USA Swimming and, instead, to register them with AAU. Other large clubs followed suit, so USA Swimming came up with this intermediary registration and block party model to try to retain registrations of these types of swimmers. SwimSwam has covered the issue pretty heavily on its podcasts and its print media. The way some clubs in PVS is using them is not in line with the vision USA Swimming had.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This really isn’t even the point of a block party meet. To my understand they are a way for smaller teams / LSCs to run more meets when it’s hard to gather all the officials / etc needed. Probably more also when distances are further inside the LSC.

Yes, a few of us noted above that PVS seems to be using the block party model more as a way to use facilities outside of PVS jurisdiction rather than as a way to run a more efficient, less cumbersome meet for smaller clubs or less committed swimmers. The block party model emanated from Swim Atlanta’s decision not to register a large chunk of its less involved swimmers with USA Swimming and, instead, to register them with AAU. Other large clubs followed suit, so USA Swimming came up with this intermediary registration and block party model to try to retain registrations of these types of swimmers. SwimSwam has covered the issue pretty heavily on its podcasts and its print media. The way some clubs in PVS [edit: *are] using them is not in line with the vision USA Swimming had.

Yes, a few of us noted above that PVS seems to be using the block party model more as a way to use facilities outside of PVS jurisdiction rather than as a way to run a more efficient, less cumbersome meet for smaller clubs or less committed swimmers. The block party model emanated from Swim Atlanta’s decision not to register a large chunk of its less involved swimmers with USA Swimming and, instead, to register them with AAU. Other large clubs followed suit, so USA Swimming came up with this intermediary registration and block party model to try to retain registrations of these types of swimmers. SwimSwam has covered the issue pretty heavily on its podcasts and its print media. The way some clubs in PVS [edit: *are] using them is not in line with the vision USA Swimming had.

[Anonymous]

I'm actually surprised they are getting sanctioned. My understanding is that block party meets are sanctioned directly by USA swimming, are ideally supposed to be 2 hours or less, and are definitely 1 day. I think OCCS has been doing their whole medley series, which is over 3 weekends, multiple days each weekend, as a block party meet. They are a really nice team, but this seems like a total misuse of the block party model. Block parties are supposed to encourage less committed swimmers to swim in a meet, possibly even a non- USA swimming member.
I do think this is PVS/ VA swim territory fallout. PVS can't sanction these meets, but the teams are PVS teams swimming in VA swim territory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The block party concern is a separate concern than the pvs open. I do agree that what we are seeing is a misuse of block party. I’m curious if someone will take action to stop it. I suspect all ‘pvs’ meets that are in prince William/ stafford/ warren etc will be block party. That being said your team has those results. You should be able to get times from your team.

We swim at an NCAP-Virginia site, and all our national team group swimmers only go to larger, USA-Swimming certified meets (largely outside of PVS-proper) so the times will count for the sectionals and above meets. I guess PVS is less concerned about all our 12Us because, well, only a small handful of 12 year olds have a sectional cut.

Back under your bridge troll. The LSC meets are held under the sanction of USA swimming through PVS. Those times will qualify you for any USA swimming meet that takes SCY times.

[Anonymous]

Since we are now talking PVS/ VSI meet “territory”. PVS parents should be aware that we (PVS parents) have paid VSI over $190,000.00 since 2021 because of meets hosted at “their” territory. Further please read the VSI April BOD meeting minutes from the year they decided to pass this “tax” on to PVS families, the VSI board states— “PVS parents can afford it”. So our money pays into an “endowment” that does not benefit a single PVS athlete at all.

A PVS club owner directly asked the USAS BOD at summit 2 weeks ago to establish a group to look into these practices all over the country to stop unnecessarily “taxing” parents in the sport. This is now happening.

Taxes like this is one of the many reasons Block Party was started. The mission overall is to help keep families in the sport by lowering costs and families time commitment.

Please stop speculating and call USA swimming and ask.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The block party concern is a separate concern than the pvs open. I do agree that what we are seeing is a misuse of block party. I’m curious if someone will take action to stop it. I suspect all ‘pvs’ meets that are in prince William/ stafford/ warren etc will be block party. That being said your team has those results. You should be able to get times from your team.

We swim at an NCAP-Virginia site, and all our national team group swimmers only go to larger, USA-Swimming certified meets (largely outside of PVS-proper) so the times will count for the sectionals and above meets. I guess PVS is less concerned about all our 12Us because, well, only a small handful of 12 year olds have a sectional cut.

Back under your bridge troll. The LSC meets are held under the sanction of USA swimming through PVS. Those times will qualify you for any USA swimming meet that takes SCY times.

Untrue. Block party meets only count for under sectionals. And our NCAP 14Us occasionally do block parties…in PW/Manassas/Loudoun pools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm actually surprised they are getting sanctioned. My understanding is that block party meets are sanctioned directly by USA swimming, are ideally supposed to be 2 hours or less, and are definitely 1 day. I think OCCS has been doing their whole medley series, which is over 3 weekends, multiple days each weekend, as a block party meet. They are a really nice team, but this seems like a total misuse of the block party model. Block parties are supposed to encourage less committed swimmers to swim in a meet, possibly even a non- USA swimming member.
I do think this is PVS/ VA swim territory fallout. PVS can't sanction these meets, but the teams are PVS teams swimming in VA swim territory.

You are exactly on point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since we are now talking PVS/ VSI meet “territory”. PVS parents should be aware that we (PVS parents) have paid VSI over $190,000.00 since 2021 because of meets hosted at “their” territory. Further please read the VSI April BOD meeting minutes from the year they decided to pass this “tax” on to PVS families, the VSI board states— “PVS parents can afford it”. So our money pays into an “endowment” that does not benefit a single PVS athlete at all.

A PVS club owner directly asked the USAS BOD at summit 2 weeks ago to establish a group to look into these practices all over the country to stop unnecessarily “taxing” parents in the sport. This is now happening.

Taxes like this is one of the many reasons Block Party was started. The mission overall is to help keep families in the sport by lowering costs and families time commitment.

Please stop speculating and call USA swimming and ask.

Where else are jurisdiction disputes happening? Texas? California? I’m trying to think of places with potentially overlapping LSCs. Block parties and the tiered registration options largely sprung from Swim Atlanta’s (and Nitro, I believe, but don’t quote me) deciding to register all but their most serious swimmers with AAU, but I can see how they could benefit teams involved in jurisdictional disputes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since we are now talking PVS/ VSI meet “territory”. PVS parents should be aware that we (PVS parents) have paid VSI over $190,000.00 since 2021 because of meets hosted at “their” territory. Further please read the VSI April BOD meeting minutes from the year they decided to pass this “tax” on to PVS families, the VSI board states— “PVS parents can afford it”. So our money pays into an “endowment” that does not benefit a single PVS athlete at all.

A PVS club owner directly asked the USAS BOD at summit 2 weeks ago to establish a group to look into these practices all over the country to stop unnecessarily “taxing” parents in the sport. This is now happening.

Taxes like this is one of the many reasons Block Party was started. The mission overall is to help keep families in the sport by lowering costs and families time commitment.

Please stop speculating and call USA swimming and ask.

Where else are jurisdiction disputes happening? Texas? California? I’m trying to think of places with potentially overlapping LSCs. Block parties and the tiered registration options largely sprung from Swim Atlanta’s (and Nitro, I believe, but don’t quote me) deciding to register all but their most serious swimmers with AAU, but I can see how they could benefit teams involved in jurisdictional disputes.

The reason teams left USA Swimming first stemmed from an alleged misunderstanding about liability insurance. This happened around 2023:
https://swimswam.com/shifting-tides-swim-teams-weight-splitting-membership-between-usa-swimming-aau/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm actually surprised they are getting sanctioned. My understanding is that block party meets are sanctioned directly by USA swimming, are ideally supposed to be 2 hours or less, and are definitely 1 day. I think OCCS has been doing their whole medley series, which is over 3 weekends, multiple days each weekend, as a block party meet. They are a really nice team, but this seems like a total misuse of the block party model. Block parties are supposed to encourage less committed swimmers to swim in a meet, possibly even a non- USA swimming member.
I do think this is PVS/ VA swim territory fallout. PVS can't sanction these meets, but the teams are PVS teams swimming in VA swim territory.

I mean, this is the checklist:
https://websitedevsa.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/default-source/block-party/block-party-swim-meet-planning-checklist.pdf