Yale and Stanford require all AP scores now. Will other colleges follow?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford announced it in 2024 for 2025. What I believe is new(ish) is that all AP test scores must now also be submitted.

https://admission.stanford.edu/apply/first-year/testing.html

“ACT or SAT scores are required for first-year and transfer students.

AP/IB/A-Levels:

AP exams are not mandatory; however, if you have taken any AP exams, you are required to self-report all your AP scores in your application.

Students currently enrolled in an IB Diploma program outside the U.S. are required to have a school official send us their predicted IB marks (including TOK/essay bonus points).”

It’s meaningless, there’s no way to enforce the reporting, scores can be permanently deleted. Verifican happens in the fall for official scores. Only thing is, if you took the AP class and don’t send the score, they’ll assume the worst.

They can't assume that, as the tests are expensive and at most high schools, the test is not required for the class. Many students decide to not take an AP exam here or there. And there are always bunch of posts on reddit of students worried because they didn't realize or forgot to include AP scores in the Common App.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford announced it in 2024 for 2025. What I believe is new(ish) is that all AP test scores must now also be submitted.

https://admission.stanford.edu/apply/first-year/testing.html

“ACT or SAT scores are required for first-year and transfer students.

AP/IB/A-Levels:

AP exams are not mandatory; however, if you have taken any AP exams, you are required to self-report all your AP scores in your application.

Students currently enrolled in an IB Diploma program outside the U.S. are required to have a school official send us their predicted IB marks (including TOK/essay bonus points).”

It’s meaningless, there’s no way to enforce the reporting, scores can be permanently deleted. Verifican happens in the fall for official scores. Only thing is, if you took the AP class and don’t send the score, they’ll assume the worst.

They can't assume that, as the tests are expensive and at most high schools, the test is not required for the class. Many students decide to not take an AP exam here or there. And there are always bunch of posts on reddit of students worried because they didn't realize or forgot to include AP scores in the Common App.

This is Yale and Stanford. The students heading there are likely not struggling terribly with AP exams or with being organized enough to make sure they take them and submit a complete application.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford announced it in 2024 for 2025. What I believe is new(ish) is that all AP test scores must now also be submitted.

https://admission.stanford.edu/apply/first-year/testing.html

“ACT or SAT scores are required for first-year and transfer students.

AP/IB/A-Levels:

AP exams are not mandatory; however, if you have taken any AP exams, you are required to self-report all your AP scores in your application.

Students currently enrolled in an IB Diploma program outside the U.S. are required to have a school official send us their predicted IB marks (including TOK/essay bonus points).”

It’s meaningless, there’s no way to enforce the reporting, scores can be permanently deleted. Verifican happens in the fall for official scores. Only thing is, if you took the AP class and don’t send the score, they’ll assume the worst.

They can't assume that, as the tests are expensive and at most high schools, the test is not required for the class. Many students decide to not take an AP exam here or there. And there are always bunch of posts on reddit of students worried because they didn't realize or forgot to include AP scores in the Common App.

Again, just read their damned webpage rather than guess. They REQUIRE the exam if you take the class unless "circumstances prevent" that, and you have to explain what those circumstances are. So you can't say "I decided not to." That's not good enough. I suppose you could say "I couldn't pay for it" but that doesn't sound smart to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford announced it in 2024 for 2025. What I believe is new(ish) is that all AP test scores must now also be submitted.

https://admission.stanford.edu/apply/first-year/testing.html

“ACT or SAT scores are required for first-year and transfer students.

AP/IB/A-Levels:

AP exams are not mandatory; however, if you have taken any AP exams, you are required to self-report all your AP scores in your application.

Students currently enrolled in an IB Diploma program outside the U.S. are required to have a school official send us their predicted IB marks (including TOK/essay bonus points).”

It’s meaningless, there’s no way to enforce the reporting, scores can be permanently deleted. Verifican happens in the fall for official scores. Only thing is, if you took the AP class and don’t send the score, they’ll assume the worst.

They can't assume that, as the tests are expensive and at most high schools, the test is not required for the class. Many students decide to not take an AP exam here or there. And there are always bunch of posts on reddit of students worried because they didn't realize or forgot to include AP scores in the Common App.

They ask to explain on the app why you couldn’t take the exam. Being sick will only work for a few, saying you decided not to take the exam might not look very good.

Forgetting to list the test results on the app is a non issue, you can always send additional information and include it there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford announced it in 2024 for 2025. What I believe is new(ish) is that all AP test scores must now also be submitted.

https://admission.stanford.edu/apply/first-year/testing.html

“ACT or SAT scores are required for first-year and transfer students.

AP/IB/A-Levels:

AP exams are not mandatory; however, if you have taken any AP exams, you are required to self-report all your AP scores in your application.

Students currently enrolled in an IB Diploma program outside the U.S. are required to have a school official send us their predicted IB marks (including TOK/essay bonus points).”

It’s meaningless, there’s no way to enforce the reporting, scores can be permanently deleted. Verification happens in the fall for official scores. Only thing is, if you took the AP class and don’t send the score, they’ll assume the worst.

They can't assume that, as the tests are expensive and at most high schools, the test is not required for the class. Many students decide to not take an AP exam here or there. And there are always bunch of posts on reddit of students worried because they didn't realize or forgot to include AP scores in the Common App.

They will assume that and they do assume that because they don't trust the rigor level of courses in many cases. I know an AO at one of the 5C schools and she said flat out that they don't trust the rigor of coursework at many schools especially from certain regions of the country. She said flat out that an 'Honors' class from many states is meaningless and that they treat AP classes without corresponding tests the same way.

[Anonymous]

I tho k there should be an easy path to get a fee waiver and schools should require the AP test be taken to be credited as an AP class on the transcript, especially if the school weights the GPA.

[Anonymous]

^by which I mean the high school should require it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you consider 4s a high score?

No. Not with the implicit curve that equates to a 5. Imagine if colleges gave a 4.0 for a 70% average. Although that's pretty much how hs gpa has become.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They specified that applicants canNOT only submit high AP scores any more.

Finally! Yes more schools will follow. The course is correcting on the ridiculous test-optional nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I tho k there should be an easy path to get a fee waiver and schools should require the AP test be taken to be credited as an AP class on the transcript, especially if the school weights the GPA.

In our area the top three "feeder" private schools all have this policy, with scores are on the transcript.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford announced it in 2024 for 2025. What I believe is new(ish) is that all AP test scores must now also be submitted.

https://admission.stanford.edu/apply/first-year/testing.html

“ACT or SAT scores are required for first-year and transfer students.

AP/IB/A-Levels:

AP exams are not mandatory; however, if you have taken any AP exams, you are required to self-report all your AP scores in your application.

Students currently enrolled in an IB Diploma program outside the U.S. are required to have a school official send us their predicted IB marks (including TOK/essay bonus points).”

It’s meaningless, there’s no way to enforce the reporting, scores can be permanently deleted. Verification happens in the fall for official scores. Only thing is, if you took the AP class and don’t send the score, they’ll assume the worst.

They can't assume that, as the tests are expensive and at most high schools, the test is not required for the class. Many students decide to not take an AP exam here or there. And there are always bunch of posts on reddit of students worried because they didn't realize or forgot to include AP scores in the Common App.

They will assume that and they do assume that because they don't trust the rigor level of courses in many cases. I know an AO at one of the 5C schools and she said flat out that they don't trust the rigor of coursework at many schools especially from certain regions of the country. She said flat out that an 'Honors' class from many states is meaningless and that they treat AP classes without corresponding tests the same way.

Our CCO has said similar for years, and she used to work in an east-coast T20 admissions & has contacts at many top schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford announced it in 2024 for 2025. What I believe is new(ish) is that all AP test scores must now also be submitted.

https://admission.stanford.edu/apply/first-year/testing.html

“ACT or SAT scores are required for first-year and transfer students.

AP/IB/A-Levels:

AP exams are not mandatory; however, if you have taken any AP exams, you are required to self-report all your AP scores in your application.

Students currently enrolled in an IB Diploma program outside the U.S. are required to have a school official send us their predicted IB marks (including TOK/essay bonus points).”

It’s meaningless, there’s no way to enforce the reporting, scores can be permanently deleted. Verifican happens in the fall for official scores. Only thing is, if you took the AP class and don’t send the score, they’ll assume the worst.

They can't assume that, as the tests are expensive and at most high schools, the test is not required for the class. Many students decide to not take an AP exam here or there. And there are always bunch of posts on reddit of students worried because they didn't realize or forgot to include AP scores in the Common App.

This is Yale and Stanford. The students heading there are likely not struggling terribly with AP exams or with being organized enough to make sure they take them and submit a complete application.

Not true. We know a Yale student with a decent hook, not an athlete, who brags about never submitting AP scores or SAT, because she did not get a single 4 or 5 and got a 1320 on her SAT. She has not done that well there but found an easier major and has a faculty connection as part of the hook--got an amazing summer opportunity through that.
Yale like hooks like every other top school, and now they realize they have to raise the bar even for the hooked kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stanford announced it in 2024 for 2025. What I believe is new(ish) is that all AP test scores must now also be submitted.

https://admission.stanford.edu/apply/first-year/testing.html

“ACT or SAT scores are required for first-year and transfer students.

AP/IB/A-Levels:

AP exams are not mandatory; however, if you have taken any AP exams, you are required to self-report all your AP scores in your application.

Students currently enrolled in an IB Diploma program outside the U.S. are required to have a school official send us their predicted IB marks (including TOK/essay bonus points).”

It’s meaningless, there’s no way to enforce the reporting, scores can be permanently deleted. Verifican happens in the fall for official scores. Only thing is, if you took the AP class and don’t send the score, they’ll assume the worst.

They can't assume that, as the tests are expensive and at most high schools, the test is not required for the class. Many students decide to not take an AP exam here or there. And there are always bunch of posts on reddit of students worried because they didn't realize or forgot to include AP scores in the Common App.

This is Yale and Stanford. The students heading there are likely not struggling terribly with AP exams or with being organized enough to make sure they take them and submit a complete application.

Not true. We know a Yale student with a decent hook, not an athlete, who brags about never submitting AP scores or SAT, because she did not get a single 4 or 5 and got a 1320 on her SAT. She has not done that well there but found an easier major and has a faculty connection as part of the hook--got an amazing summer opportunity through that.
Yale like hooks like every other top school, and now they realize they have to raise the bar even for the hooked kids.

So unfair to other applicants. Yale? Barf.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is misleading. At Yale, you have to submit all APs scores ONLY if you're submitting APs instead of SAT or ACT. It's test flexible. If you're submitting a test score, you can submit any AP you want. Or not

Yale's Test-Flexible Policy
Yale requires all first-year and transfer applicants to submit standardized test scores. Applicants choose which scores to include from four options:

ACT
Advanced Placement (AP)
International Baccalaureate (IB)
SAT

Applicants who choose to meet the requirement with AP or IB scores should include results from all subject exams completed prior to applying. Applicants who choose to meet the requirement with ACT or SAT scores may also include any AP or IB scores of their choosing.

if a kid took an AP class freshman year but didn't take the exam, what do they submit since they don't have a score to report? For current juniors, do they now register to take the AP exam this upcoming spring for an AP class they took freshman year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is misleading. At Yale, you have to submit all APs scores ONLY if you're submitting APs instead of SAT or ACT. It's test flexible. If you're submitting a test score, you can submit any AP you want. Or not

Yale's Test-Flexible Policy
Yale requires all first-year and transfer applicants to submit standardized test scores. Applicants choose which scores to include from four options:

ACT
Advanced Placement (AP)
International Baccalaureate (IB)
SAT

Applicants who choose to meet the requirement with AP or IB scores should include results from all subject exams completed prior to applying. Applicants who choose to meet the requirement with ACT or SAT scores may also include any AP or IB scores of their choosing.

if a kid took an AP class freshman year but didn't take the exam, what do they submit since they don't have a score to report? For current juniors, do they now register to take the AP exam this upcoming spring for an AP class they took freshman year?

It’s only for ap tests that take. What they don’t want is kid sending only 1 good score if took 5 tests when trying to use ap tests as substitute for SAT