Why did CMC get rid of it's "Silicon Valley" program?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust this school after their integrated sciences shenanigans.

You weren't kidding, more detail here -
https://www.cmcforum.com/post/disintegrated-sciences

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This sort of program depends on a thriving tech job market. According to CMC's site, they were placing at prestigious big tech companies for a while. One by one, these companies dropped out.

Now that the market has tightened, the college probably struggled to place interns.

Where does it show or say that? CMC ran the program fine with startups and top companies just last year.

The quality of employers has declined over the past 5 years. The last "top company," Apple, dropped after the 2022 tech boom. By spring 2023, the listed placements are random startups. They haven't updated the employer list for 2023 and 2024, which is odd since they promoted this program heavily.

https://www.cmc.edu/silicon-valley-program/students/past-internship-sponsors

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sort of program depends on a thriving tech job market. According to CMC's site, they were placing at prestigious big tech companies for a while. One by one, these companies dropped out.

Now that the market has tightened, the college probably struggled to place interns.

Where does it show or say that? CMC ran the program fine with startups and top companies just last year.

The quality of employers has declined over the past 5 years. The last "top company," Apple, dropped after the 2022 tech boom. By spring 2023, the listed placements are random startups. They haven't updated the employer list for 2023 and 2024, which is odd since they promoted this program heavily.

https://www.cmc.edu/silicon-valley-program/students/past-internship-sponsors

The whole point of going to Silicon Valley is connecting with the startup scene. You get more responsibility and can advance quickly, which is helpful for boosting your career. There's a reason Stanford is so into entrepreneurship and startups over the traditional tech firms. It's cool to work with apple, but you're gonna get a lot more beginning with a start up and then going into whatever FAANG job you want. Makes sense to go into a unicorn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust this school after their integrated sciences shenanigans.

huh? tell me more please.

They've spent a sh**load of money on a snazzy building and pulled out of the 5Cs shared science program (Keck?) and have created their own interdisciplinary thing called "Integrated Science" where courses are now called Planet, Life, Brain or something like that. It soft launched this year and it's kind of a mess. The students wrote about it in one of the newspapers.

Just small correction "keck" was CMC/Pitzer/Scripps. Mudd and Pomona have their own science departments (which helps with resources!). CMC split to make their own program and Scripps and Pitzer changed their program to DNS, and were able to expand faculty, resources, and opportunities for students: https://natsci.claremont.edu. For what it's worth, any talk on integrated sciences is mostly BS speculation, since the program just started. I'd stick to public information: https://www.cmc.edu/kravis-department-of-integrated-sciences

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sort of program depends on a thriving tech job market. According to CMC's site, they were placing at prestigious big tech companies for a while. One by one, these companies dropped out.

Now that the market has tightened, the college probably struggled to place interns.

Where does it show or say that? CMC ran the program fine with startups and top companies just last year.

The quality of employers has declined over the past 5 years. The last "top company," Apple, dropped after the 2022 tech boom. By spring 2023, the listed placements are random startups. They haven't updated the employer list for 2023 and 2024, which is odd since they promoted this program heavily.

https://www.cmc.edu/silicon-valley-program/students/past-internship-sponsors

The whole point of going to Silicon Valley is connecting with the startup scene. You get more responsibility and can advance quickly, which is helpful for boosting your career. There's a reason Stanford is so into entrepreneurship and startups over the traditional tech firms. It's cool to work with apple, but you're gonna get a lot more beginning with a start up and then going into whatever FAANG job you want. Makes sense to go into a unicorn.

I strongly doubt the random start-ups were even close to being unicorns lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sort of program depends on a thriving tech job market. According to CMC's site, they were placing at prestigious big tech companies for a while. One by one, these companies dropped out.

Now that the market has tightened, the college probably struggled to place interns.

Where does it show or say that? CMC ran the program fine with startups and top companies just last year.

The quality of employers has declined over the past 5 years. The last "top company," Apple, dropped after the 2022 tech boom. By spring 2023, the listed placements are random startups. They haven't updated the employer list for 2023 and 2024, which is odd since they promoted this program heavily.

https://www.cmc.edu/silicon-valley-program/students/past-internship-sponsors

The whole point of going to Silicon Valley is connecting with the startup scene. You get more responsibility and can advance quickly, which is helpful for boosting your career. There's a reason Stanford is so into entrepreneurship and startups over the traditional tech firms. It's cool to work with apple, but you're gonna get a lot more beginning with a start up and then going into whatever FAANG job you want. Makes sense to go into a unicorn.

I strongly doubt the random start-ups were even close to being unicorns lol.

I really doubt your opinion matters, but here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust this school after their integrated sciences shenanigans.

You weren't kidding, more detail here -
https://www.cmcforum.com/post/disintegrated-sciences

To be clear, the department will no doubt employ many thoughtful scientists devoted to the pursuit of truth—it already does. But the problem with the department is not its personnel but its purpose. By focusing on application rather than knowledge, the “integrated sciences” end up segregating themselves from other academic disciplines.

This article is a complete waste of time. To synthesize, the author is upset the program isn't virtuous enough and actually gives students the tools and computational skills to do science, rather than being a sterile, traditional program where students are behind their peers at other institutions where the ability to code well and develop skills beyond theoretical work is a given. It's surprisingly poor argumentation for such a well-written article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust this school after their integrated sciences shenanigans.

You weren't kidding, more detail here -
https://www.cmcforum.com/post/disintegrated-sciences

To be clear, the department will no doubt employ many thoughtful scientists devoted to the pursuit of truth—it already does. But the problem with the department is not its personnel but its purpose. By focusing on application rather than knowledge, the “integrated sciences” end up segregating themselves from other academic disciplines.

This article is a complete waste of time. To synthesize, the author is upset the program isn't virtuous enough and actually gives students the tools and computational skills to do science, rather than being a sterile, traditional program where students are behind their peers at other institutions where the ability to code well and develop skills beyond theoretical work is a given. It's surprisingly poor argumentation for such a well-written article.

Mind you, neither student is a science student:
Author 1: https://www.linkedin.com/in/henry-long-cmc
Author 2: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliehatcher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust this school after their integrated sciences shenanigans.

You weren't kidding, more detail here -
https://www.cmcforum.com/post/disintegrated-sciences

To be clear, the department will no doubt employ many thoughtful scientists devoted to the pursuit of truth—it already does. But the problem with the department is not its personnel but its purpose. By focusing on application rather than knowledge, the “integrated sciences” end up segregating themselves from other academic disciplines.

This article is a complete waste of time. To synthesize, the author is upset the program isn't virtuous enough and actually gives students the tools and computational skills to do science, rather than being a sterile, traditional program where students are behind their peers at other institutions where the ability to code well and develop skills beyond theoretical work is a given. It's surprisingly poor argumentation for such a well-written article.

Mind you, neither student is a science student:
Author 1: https://www.linkedin.com/in/henry-long-cmc
Author 2: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliehatcher

Well to be fair serious science students aren't attracted to CMC, they go to Pomona or Harvey Mudd in the 5Cs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sort of program depends on a thriving tech job market. According to CMC's site, they were placing at prestigious big tech companies for a while. One by one, these companies dropped out.

Now that the market has tightened, the college probably struggled to place interns.

Where does it show or say that? CMC ran the program fine with startups and top companies just last year.

The quality of employers has declined over the past 5 years. The last "top company," Apple, dropped after the 2022 tech boom. By spring 2023, the listed placements are random startups. They haven't updated the employer list for 2023 and 2024, which is odd since they promoted this program heavily.

https://www.cmc.edu/silicon-valley-program/students/past-internship-sponsors

The whole point of going to Silicon Valley is connecting with the startup scene. You get more responsibility and can advance quickly, which is helpful for boosting your career. There's a reason Stanford is so into entrepreneurship and startups over the traditional tech firms. It's cool to work with apple, but you're gonna get a lot more beginning with a start up and then going into whatever FAANG job you want. Makes sense to go into a unicorn.

Most high powered interns prefer FAANG over all but the very top startups. FAANG look. better on their resume and offer better pay. The vast majority of startups are a bad deal for non-founders: low pay, long hours working for someone else's dream, and little upside on the off chance they take off. The Stanford students you're talking about typically found their own companies or are on the founding team at A-tier startups.

In any case, CMC stopped listing their placements after early 2023. Why is that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sort of program depends on a thriving tech job market. According to CMC's site, they were placing at prestigious big tech companies for a while. One by one, these companies dropped out.

Now that the market has tightened, the college probably struggled to place interns.

Where does it show or say that? CMC ran the program fine with startups and top companies just last year.

The quality of employers has declined over the past 5 years. The last "top company," Apple, dropped after the 2022 tech boom. By spring 2023, the listed placements are random startups. They haven't updated the employer list for 2023 and 2024, which is odd since they promoted this program heavily.

https://www.cmc.edu/silicon-valley-program/students/past-internship-sponsors

The whole point of going to Silicon Valley is connecting with the startup scene. You get more responsibility and can advance quickly, which is helpful for boosting your career. There's a reason Stanford is so into entrepreneurship and startups over the traditional tech firms. It's cool to work with apple, but you're gonna get a lot more beginning with a start up and then going into whatever FAANG job you want. Makes sense to go into a unicorn.

Most high powered interns prefer FAANG over all but the very top startups. FAANG look. better on their resume and offer better pay. The vast majority of startups are a bad deal for non-founders: low pay, long hours working for someone else's dream, and little upside on the off chance they take off. The Stanford students you're talking about typically found their own companies or are on the founding team at A-tier startups.

In any case, CMC stopped listing their placements after early 2023. Why is that?

Not really some grand conspiracy. Colleges take a while to update their pages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sort of program depends on a thriving tech job market. According to CMC's site, they were placing at prestigious big tech companies for a while. One by one, these companies dropped out.

Now that the market has tightened, the college probably struggled to place interns.

Where does it show or say that? CMC ran the program fine with startups and top companies just last year.

The quality of employers has declined over the past 5 years. The last "top company," Apple, dropped after the 2022 tech boom. By spring 2023, the listed placements are random startups. They haven't updated the employer list for 2023 and 2024, which is odd since they promoted this program heavily.

https://www.cmc.edu/silicon-valley-program/students/past-internship-sponsors

The whole point of going to Silicon Valley is connecting with the startup scene. You get more responsibility and can advance quickly, which is helpful for boosting your career. There's a reason Stanford is so into entrepreneurship and startups over the traditional tech firms. It's cool to work with apple, but you're gonna get a lot more beginning with a start up and then going into whatever FAANG job you want. Makes sense to go into a unicorn.

Most high powered interns prefer FAANG over all but the very top startups. FAANG look. better on their resume and offer better pay. The vast majority of startups are a bad deal for non-founders: low pay, long hours working for someone else's dream, and little upside on the off chance they take off. The Stanford students you're talking about typically found their own companies or are on the founding team at A-tier startups.

In any case, CMC stopped listing their placements after early 2023. Why is that?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sort of program depends on a thriving tech job market. According to CMC's site, they were placing at prestigious big tech companies for a while. One by one, these companies dropped out.

Now that the market has tightened, the college probably struggled to place interns.

Where does it show or say that? CMC ran the program fine with startups and top companies just last year.

The quality of employers has declined over the past 5 years. The last "top company," Apple, dropped after the 2022 tech boom. By spring 2023, the listed placements are random startups. They haven't updated the employer list for 2023 and 2024, which is odd since they promoted this program heavily.

https://www.cmc.edu/silicon-valley-program/students/past-internship-sponsors

The whole point of going to Silicon Valley is connecting with the startup scene. You get more responsibility and can advance quickly, which is helpful for boosting your career. There's a reason Stanford is so into entrepreneurship and startups over the traditional tech firms. It's cool to work with apple, but you're gonna get a lot more beginning with a start up and then going into whatever FAANG job you want. Makes sense to go into a unicorn.

Most high powered interns prefer FAANG over all but the very top startups. FAANG look. better on their resume and offer better pay. The vast majority of startups are a bad deal for non-founders: low pay, long hours working for someone else's dream, and little upside on the off chance they take off. The Stanford students you're talking about typically found their own companies or are on the founding team at A-tier startups.

In any case, CMC stopped listing their placements after early 2023. Why is that?

Not really some grand conspiracy. Colleges take a while to update their pages.

CMC has entered the chat.

They promoted the program heavily for years. Two years ago, they stopped updating their placements and have now shut down the program. It's highly unlikely the missing 2 years of placements were great.