The Top 5 Universities for Tenured Professors at R1s is not what I expected.

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You sound incredibly ignorant about academia OP b

[Anonymous]

This post is a good example of why this place is useless.

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Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin and Michigan are huge schools that have excellent research funding levels. No surprise there. I’d bet you that Colorado, Minnesota, and Washington are further up on the list than you think.

Those state universities are enormous and can hire a lot of faculty to teach 50k students.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

Wisconsin's econ program is better than Harvard's.

Who’s getting a PHD in 2025 anyway? It’s the 21st century, professional schools ( JD/MBA ) rule. Even Harvard’s PHD students have horrible prospects. It’s the Harvard business school where the future is.

A ton of people? Who do you think is leading and creating all this AI tech? If you mean who is getting an academic position after a PhD, that’s a very valid question and these are the answers.

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I'm just surprised to see someone call Berkeley by its original name -- "University of California."

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

Wisconsin's econ program is better than Harvard's.

Who’s getting a PHD in 2025 anyway? It’s the 21st century, professional schools ( JD/MBA ) rule. Even Harvard’s PHD students have horrible prospects. It’s the Harvard business school where the future is.

This post is even dumber than the original post.

The PhD is a research oriented degree that is needed to train academics, professors, medical researchers, etc. experts on any subject matter.

Professional degrees serve a purpose but the PhD has an important role.

Research is currently dead in the US. Good luck to anyone getting that degree.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

Wisconsin's econ program is better than Harvard's.

Who’s getting a PHD in 2025 anyway? It’s the 21st century, professional schools ( JD/MBA ) rule. Even Harvard’s PHD students have horrible prospects. It’s the Harvard business school where the future is.

This post is even dumber than the original post.

The PhD is a research oriented degree that is needed to train academics, professors, medical researchers, etc. experts on any subject matter.

Professional degrees serve a purpose but the PhD has an important role.

Research is currently dead in the US. Good luck to anyone getting that degree.

Please be more specific. What type of research, specifically? How do you know this? What is your background that makes you qualified to judge this?

Do you know how broad research is? There is a lot happening by businesses that has nothing to do with universities or the government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

Wisconsin's econ program is better than Harvard's.

Who’s getting a PHD in 2025 anyway? It’s the 21st century, professional schools ( JD/MBA ) rule. Even Harvard’s PHD students have horrible prospects. It’s the Harvard business school where the future is.

This post is even dumber than the original post.

The PhD is a research oriented degree that is needed to train academics, professors, medical researchers, etc. experts on any subject matter.

Professional degrees serve a purpose but the PhD has an important role.

Research is currently dead in the US. Good luck to anyone getting that degree.

You sound very dim and in no danger of anyone wanting to give you a PhD.

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Anonymous wrote:You sound incredibly ignorant about academia OP b

I’d put a period after academia and delete the balance of the sentence.

Other than that minor quibble, I agree wholeheartedly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

You are a f’ing moron.

And you're not a nice person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

Wisconsin's econ program is better than Harvard's.

No it's not. It's in the same league but attracts different students.

Harvard/Stanford are for saltwater economists
Chicago/Wisconsin are for freshwater economists.
GMU is for swampwater economists. If Florida could need up is Austrian school credentials, that would be perfect

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

In general (30 years ago when I looked at Econ. PHD), where you receive your PHD blocks you from being hired there. Universities do not hire Professors who graduate from their program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are a f’ing moron.

Excellent contribution to the discussion.

But to the point

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2022/09/22/the-prestige-hierarchy-five-universities-trained-one-of-every-eight-tenure-track-faculty-at-doctoral-universities/

The Top 5 are

1. Harvard
2. University of California
3. University of Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. University of Michigan

Ok, at least two I would expect on there, Harvard and Stanford. Michigan and Wisconsin are the shockers. Cal you see a lot, but I would honesty think MIT or Princeton.

Michigan acts like it’s Harvard, and I suspect its professional programs contribute a ton to its rankings. Wisconsin you do see a lot of faculty ( especially at Ivy League schools) but I almost assumed it’s a fluke ( I.e. they got rejected from a PhD at Cal or Harvard and went to Madison instead).

I’ll never understand how state universities, especially in insignificant states like Wisconsin, can be held in such high regard. It’s essentially an endorsement of the Wisconsin state government. I was just having a convo about UVa law the other day: its high ranking is essentially an endorsement on the state of Virginia itself. If you’re born in Virginia, you essentially have a leg-up to becoming a great jurists or big law partner. If you’re born in Wisconsin, you have a leg-up to becoming a PHD professor.

That is now how UVA law and many PhD programs work. Unlike BA programs, UVA Law and many state university PhD programs do not have a threshold for percentage of applicants that must come from in-state. Their admissions are run like a private university. The amount of ignorance and speculation on this forum is sometimes astounding.

[Anonymous]

It would be more interesting to see the numbers on a per student population basis. Schools with 50,000 plus students are often going to have more graduates doing something that schools with less than 5000 students just by sheer numbers.