If feds really want to reduce crime in DC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

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If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

?? The city leaders have failed on this point, so the federal response is -- rather than doing anything that addresses the source of the problem -- is to make a big peacock show about power and dominance?

So you want the DC police to go in to Virginia and Maryland? This is where the chop shops and criminal organizations are. The fed has license plate readers and all kinds of surveillance on every bridge and street leaving DC. They refuse to do anything for years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

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If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

You cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s crime problem. Full stop

Yes, you can. It worked in NYC in the 1990’s. The police measure that most consistently reduces crime is the arrest rate of those involved in crime. The deterrent effect is a force multiplier that cities with a police shortage, like DC, desperately need.

Oh you better get ready to pay up big. Over half a million dollars per year per incarceration in NYC. But sure no problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

A Majority Of D.C. Killings Are Driven By Small Number Of People | WAMU https://share.google/AKRYHTJLhTJF61CGD

If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

You cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s crime problem. Full stop

+1. If you arrest and incarcerate these folks, you will keep finding more folks to arrest and incarcerate. Eventually, everyone will be in prison. Is that what you want?

[Anonymous]

They need to change DC's criminal laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We can start by removing the revolving court door for repeat offenders. Dangerous people are consistently released into the community to re-offend.

The feds already have control of that -- they are the ones releasing them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

A Majority Of D.C. Killings Are Driven By Small Number Of People | WAMU https://share.google/AKRYHTJLhTJF61CGD

If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

You cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s crime problem. Full stop

Full stop is always the tell for the stupidest people on this site. And you absolutely can.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

A Majority Of D.C. Killings Are Driven By Small Number Of People | WAMU https://share.google/AKRYHTJLhTJF61CGD

If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

You cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s crime problem. Full stop

Enforce curfews and pick up loiterers, jail for those who commit a violent crime, longterm hospitalization for mentally ill, no one allowed to sleep on streets, and no "homeless camps."

You basically just said, I don't know anything about the causes of homelessness or the laws regarding treatment of mental illness. You just said you want to make being mentally ill or homeless a crime for which our society will lock people up even if they have done nothing wrong.

There, but for the grace of God, go you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We can start by removing the revolving court door for repeat offenders. Dangerous people are consistently released into the community to re-offend.

We can start by Trump leaving office and be put in jail

He’s done more crime than anyon3 he’s picked up
Violent crime why the hell is he not in Memphis or Cleveland!,,
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

A Majority Of D.C. Killings Are Driven By Small Number Of People | WAMU https://share.google/AKRYHTJLhTJF61CGD

If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

You cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s crime problem. Full stop

If they commit violent crimes, yes you can.

Agree with this. You don't need to incarcerate everyone, just the people committing the most violent and egregious offenses. Like yes, incarcerate all the murderers, rapists, anyone committing a violent assault with any kind of weapon, and anyone committing any form of theft (mugging, carjacking, robbery, B&E) with a deadly weapon.

There is not a good reason not to incarcerate people in those categories. No one is suggesting we jail people for loitering or jaywalking or even low-level drug crimes (people in that last category should all be pushed into drug rehabilitation programs, it makes way more sense).

But you should not be able to kill or rape or seriously injury someone and then continue to walk around freely like it never happened. If they can prove you did it to a jury, you should be behind bars for a long time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

A Majority Of D.C. Killings Are Driven By Small Number Of People | WAMU https://share.google/AKRYHTJLhTJF61CGD

If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

You cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s crime problem. Full stop

+1. If you arrest and incarcerate these folks, you will keep finding more folks to arrest and incarcerate. Eventually, everyone will be in prison. Is that what you want?

There is a deterrent effect from incarceration for violent crimes.

Yes, if you lock people up for loitering or jaywalking or public drunkenness or prostitution, you will just keep locking people up and nothing will change. I don't think we should lock up people for non-violent offenses, we need better options there.

But for violent offenses? Look at what OP is saying -- it's actually a very small number of people committing most of the violent crime in the city. Do you really not think that if we could find a way to prosecute and incarcerate everyone who committed a murder in DC in the last year, that the city's murder rate wouldn't plummet? Come on. Even if you ignore the deterrent effect on others, simply locking up the people who are known to have killed people would, on it's own, make us all safer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

A Majority Of D.C. Killings Are Driven By Small Number Of People | WAMU https://share.google/AKRYHTJLhTJF61CGD

If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

You cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s crime problem. Full stop

The new mayor of San Francisco is doing that pretty successfully. https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/politics/sf-jail-population-rising-as-mayor-promises-crime-crackdown/article_70fc1504-fad3-11ef-a1a3-0fd3369a2cba.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

A Majority Of D.C. Killings Are Driven By Small Number Of People | WAMU https://share.google/AKRYHTJLhTJF61CGD

If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

You cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s crime problem. Full stop

If they commit violent crimes, yes you can.

Agree with this. You don't need to incarcerate everyone, just the people committing the most violent and egregious offenses. Like yes, incarcerate all the murderers, rapists, anyone committing a violent assault with any kind of weapon, and anyone committing any form of theft (mugging, carjacking, robbery, B&E) with a deadly weapon.

There is not a good reason not to incarcerate people in those categories. No one is suggesting we jail people for loitering or jaywalking or even low-level drug crimes (people in that last category should all be pushed into drug rehabilitation programs, it makes way more sense).

But you should not be able to kill or rape or seriously injury someone and then continue to walk around freely like it never happened. If they can prove you did it to a jury, you should be behind bars for a long time.

I agree with this. But, let's not forget that addressing low-level crime that affects everyone on a daily basis also goes a long way to improving quality of life. Yes, I'm talking broken windows policing. Package theft, shoplifting, fare-jumping, wandering the streets using weed - MPD doesn't care about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

A Majority Of D.C. Killings Are Driven By Small Number Of People | WAMU https://share.google/AKRYHTJLhTJF61CGD

If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

You cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s crime problem. Full stop

If they commit violent crimes, yes you can.

Agree with this. You don't need to incarcerate everyone, just the people committing the most violent and egregious offenses. Like yes, incarcerate all the murderers, rapists, anyone committing a violent assault with any kind of weapon, and anyone committing any form of theft (mugging, carjacking, robbery, B&E) with a deadly weapon.

There is not a good reason not to incarcerate people in those categories. No one is suggesting we jail people for loitering or jaywalking or even low-level drug crimes (people in that last category should all be pushed into drug rehabilitation programs, it makes way more sense).

But you should not be able to kill or rape or seriously injury someone and then continue to walk around freely like it never happened. If they can prove you did it to a jury, you should be behind bars for a long time.

I agree with this. But, let's not forget that addressing low-level crime that affects everyone on a daily basis also goes a long way to improving quality of life. Yes, I'm talking broken windows policing. Package theft, shoplifting, fare-jumping, wandering the streets using weed - MPD doesn't care about them.

PP here and I agree with you but I don't think prosecution of low-level crime should be focused on incarceration. I think pushing these folks toward education, rehab, community service, and other programs makes sense. But those programs need to be well run and well funded. That's where DC fails. I also think that at a certain point of repeat offense, people should be losing freedoms. Taking away your license and impounding your car for car-related crimes. Mandatory rehab programs in secure facilities for drug related crimes. There need to be real consequences.

But I don't want to fill up the jail/prison system with fare jumpers. It's too expensive and it doesn't work -- there is evidence it leads to higher levels of recidivism as especially young non-violent offenders tend to become more violent after jail/prison time for non-violent offenses. It becomes a criminal training program, not a deterrent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If feds really want to reduce violent crime in DC (which I know they don't), one of their first steps should be support local law enforcement targeting the small number of individuals who have ties to the majority of violent crimes. This research in 2022 shows that about 500 people are causing 70 percent of violent crimes in the city. And of those 700, 200 are the worst offenders.

A Majority Of D.C. Killings Are Driven By Small Number Of People | WAMU https://share.google/AKRYHTJLhTJF61CGD

If DC really wanted to reduce violent crime these 500 people would already be in jail. Time’s up.

You cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s crime problem. Full stop

+1. If you arrest and incarcerate these folks, you will keep finding more folks to arrest and incarcerate. Eventually, everyone will be in prison. Is that what you want?

Every DC leader, from the Chief of Police to Mayor Bowser to every single member of the council agree on this fact:

you cannot incarcerate your way out of the city’s so-called “crime” problem.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, you can. It worked in NYC in the 1990’s. The police measure that most consistently reduces crime is the arrest rate of those involved in crime. The deterrent effect is a force multiplier that cities with a police shortage, like DC, desperately need.

We have this trivial thing called the Constitution. Conservatives used to care about it, well, they only really cared about the 2nd Amendment. But the NYC police were ruled appropriately to have been consistently violating the 4th Amendment with broken windows policing. That's why they stopped using it.