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Duke Enrolls 50 New Students 2 Weeks Before Orientation Class of 2029
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Anonymous
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I was just listening to a podcast with the director of admissions from Duke, the outgoing one, from 2 years ago and he talked about how they always plan to pull from the wait list, they like pulling from the wait list and they kind of under admit a bit so that they can go to the wait list.
So I'm not sure if all this speculation about them messing up or other theories about why this happened are really as significant as one might think. |
Anonymous
There's a big difference between pulling from the waitlist in May/early June and giving 50 people 24 hours at the end of July. As someone else mentioned, it is also odd that the article quotes someone who mentioned their generous aid package. So this wasn't solely for money. Though maybe they took a few financial aid kids just because. |
Anonymous
How many forced triples? |
Anonymous
They have 27 varsity teams. Aside from football and basketball (maybe lacrosse), I don't think they generate a fortune. |
Anonymous
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I have knowledge pertaining to Duke athletics program revenue. Duke does not make a fortune on sports as an ACC member.
If Duke were Big Ten or SEC, then its athletic revenues would rise substantially, but it is not and neither the Big Ten Conference nor the SEC currently have any interest in Duke. Both the SEC & the Big Ten Conference covet UNC, not Duke. |
Anonymous
“Owe the schools”? They may forfeit their deposits, but they don’t “owe” the other schools a damn thing. |
Anonymous
That’s just fkkkg weird and cruel. Let’s just put them on the WL/under enroll so we can mess with their emotions. |
Anonymous
Former Duke scholarship athlete. Football (tv contract) and men’s basketball make money. Everything else loses money. Athletics however adds to the cachet of the school and helps them raise money - terrifically - their brand is spread through athletics. There are only two Power 4 schools ranked in the top 10, and if you are an athlete, and you want to be on the East Coast, Duke looms as a very good choice. The guy who drove the endowment to its current state, chosen by Terry Sanford in the 70’s, very much believed in athletics being part of the Duke brand. His son was my classmate. Of course it is in hindsight easy to look brilliant when a Coach K shows up. The football environment is threatening though. Experts see a move to just two conferences, or a league apart from the NCAA with 40 or so teams. Duke, Stanford, Georgia Tech, UVA, Boston College and Northwestern likely won’t be in that select group, and if the revenue driver goes away, non revenue sports will suffer. New NIL rules are already having an impact. Athletics play a large role in US major universities. Plenty of arguments against this model. But university presidents instantly become sports fans, persuaded it is a conduit for alumni support. By the way at a school like Duke the non revenue sport athletes are great students. As in really really good. They compete well with the student body. |
Anonymous
No, it is not sadism. It seems obvious to me that this is protection against overenrolling -- they make it extremely unlikely they will overshoot their target class size, and then use the waitlist to gradually get to the number they want, with some control over who (ie specific needs). I'm surprised it isn't done more, though of course if it is done too much it doesn't work for anyone. |
Anonymous
I was there during the years of forced triples. My roommate and I were in a single with a bunk bed. Still loved it. |
Anonymous
Disagree with your list of teams. Georgia Tech, Northwestern, and, maybe, U Virginia will be fine. However, Duke, Stanford, BC, Va Tech, UC-Berkeley (Cal), and NC State may not be. Northwestern is a founding member of the Big Ten located in a major media market (Chicagoland area) and Georgia Tech is a target for the Big Ten Conference due to the Atlanta media market and as a gateway to recruiting football players in the South. The University of Virginia stands a chance since it is the state flagship school. |
Anonymous
I was raised 10 miles from NU and know it well. College football in Chicago is all about Notre Dame. Not NU. My late twin was an All American D1 athlete and a tenure track professor at UVA. These schools simply won't be able to spend the NIL money to compete at a top 40 level. Their stadiums are small and revenue just isn't impressive. To their credit, I don't see either NU or UVa or the other schools I mentioned selling their souls to the levels of NIL required. As the U of Tenn mess this year reflects, a QB ranked in the middle of the SEC commands 3/4 million dollars. Prices will only increase if a single power league emerges. Heck, UVa and NU and Duke would rather hit rich alums up for basketball players than for guys on a 4-7 football team. But basketball doesn't pay the freight. Football destroyed the best entertainment college sports product in the Big East, and I would not underestimate its power to destroy. rr |
Anonymous
NP. About stadium size, as a matter of timing, NU will have the newest big 10 stadium in one more year, though I wouldn't expect that to have much impact on recruiting and performance. I also doubt the size of a mid-size private university's stadium will ever be able to rival the size of public university stadiums when public universities typically have 4x the undergrad enrollment of mid size privates. |
Anonymous
Agree that athletics drive a huge amount of fund raising. Not just to Iron Dukes but also to the university. They do a ton of events and fund raising around games, trotting our former athletes, etc. Non-rev athletes are a mixed bag. Most are quite smart. But there are a number who have no business being at Duke. I had a few in classes who were embarrassing. This is the exception, not the rule, but is worth noting. All that being said, Duke, like most other schools, is going to have to seriously reconsider the roles of non-rev sports. Some have a rich sugar daddy who will keep them going. But many don’t. |
Anonymous
Everything besides football and basketball loses money. And there have been huge changes this year that impact D1 schools. If you are counting on a track or swimming scholarship - don't. And conferences do matter. Vanderbilt in the SEC is generating over a billion over ten years. Whereas Duke is stuck. Basketball will be a good generator for them, but football is in a difficult position. |