Which schools have eliminated supplemental essays this year? 2035

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

They still have the common app essay to showcase their writing skills. Why do they need to answer with an additional 2-3 essays per school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

They still have the common app essay to showcase their writing skills. Why do they need to answer with an additional 2-3 essays per school?

It’s nice to have a measure of interest in a school beyond sob stories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

Keep in mind that AI is another reason not to put much stock in essays.

Exactly along with some parent writing them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

Keep in mind that AI is another reason not to put much stock in essays.

Doesn’t mean we should throw everything away, because the computer should do it. You’re making a great defense as to why we should hire no one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

Keep in mind that AI is another reason not to put much stock in essays.

Doesn’t mean we should throw everything away, because the computer should do it. You’re making a great defense as to why we should hire no one.

I didn't say a computer should do it. I'm saying that many applicants use AI in the preparation of their essays and AI screening is known for its inaccuracy. Should college admissions substantially rely on essays in the current AI environment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

Keep in mind that AI is another reason not to put much stock in essays.

Doesn’t mean we should throw everything away, because the computer should do it. You’re making a great defense as to why we should hire no one.

I didn't say a computer should do it. I'm saying that many applicants use AI in the preparation of their essays and AI screening is known for its inaccuracy. Should college admissions substantially rely on essays in the current AI environment?

Yes! We need to get out of this strange environment where everyone has abandoned having any benchmarks or standards just because others could cheat. Before this, you could copy any essay online and tweak a few words or even pay people to write your essays. People will always cheat, but the reasonable response is throw away everything because of so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

That’s a ridiculous accusation! Reducing the number of essays actually helps colleges revert back to recruiting overall higher quality students as essays have been used as one of the “holistic” tools to stay away from meritocracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

Keep in mind that AI is another reason not to put much stock in essays.

I worked in admissions 20 years ago. Even then we didn’t put much stock in the essays. Anyone could have written it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

They still have the common app essay to showcase their writing skills. Why do they need to answer with an additional 2-3 essays per school?

It’s nice to have a measure of interest in a school beyond sob stories.

The Why School essays are fine. There is no more need of the extras (sob stories, disclosing race, you name it) that colleges used to manipulate and disregard meritocracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

That’s a ridiculous accusation! Reducing the number of essays actually helps colleges revert back to recruiting overall higher quality students as essays have been used as one of the “holistic” tools to stay away from meritocracy.

Meritocracy but can’t write an essay? Sure.

If you want the best students, they can write an essay without bemoaning that it’s inequitable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

That’s a ridiculous accusation! Reducing the number of essays actually helps colleges revert back to recruiting overall higher quality students as essays have been used as one of the “holistic” tools to stay away from meritocracy.

Meritocracy but can’t write an essay? Sure.

If you want the best students, they can write an essay without bemoaning that it’s inequitable.

There is the common app essay and there can be a why school essay to demonstrate your writing skills. If you want to be an English composition major, go ahead to submit your supplemental writing samples. Hoping to game the system and gain advantage by slipping in sob story opportunities is simply corruption.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

That’s a ridiculous accusation! Reducing the number of essays actually helps colleges revert back to recruiting overall higher quality students as essays have been used as one of the “holistic” tools to stay away from meritocracy.

Meritocracy but can’t write an essay? Sure.

If you want the best students, they can write an essay without bemoaning that it’s inequitable.

There is the common app essay and there can be a why school essay to demonstrate your writing skills. If you want to be an English composition major, go ahead to submit your supplemental writing samples. Hoping to game the system and gain advantage by slipping in sob story opportunities is simply corruption.

But supps are the meritocratic part? It’s literally how departments decipher who has the grit and passion to actually make it through. This once again sounds like meritocracy, only in my terms when I like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

Keep in mind that AI is another reason not to put much stock in essays.

Doesn’t mean we should throw everything away, because the computer should do it. You’re making a great defense as to why we should hire no one.

I didn't say a computer should do it. I'm saying that many applicants use AI in the preparation of their essays and AI screening is known for its inaccuracy. Should college admissions substantially rely on essays in the current AI environment?

Yes! We need to get out of this strange environment where everyone has abandoned having any benchmarks or standards just because others could cheat. Before this, you could copy any essay online and tweak a few words or even pay people to write your essays. People will always cheat, but the reasonable response is throw away everything because of so.

“Throw away everything “ ???

Dramatic much?!?

Kids don’t need to know how to write riveting creative essays about a “unique” experience that occurred in the first 17 yrs of their lives in order to do great work and be an innovative and productive member of society. So much weight should not go to a part of the application the candidate doesn’t even need to do themselves. Even if they write it, they are heavily edited by others.

The other parts of the application showcase the candidate over 4 or more yrs of time … grades, ECs, tests, LORs, rigor. And they still have the personal statement.

Really a waste of time and brainpower to have these kids write so many additional essays when they could spend this time on their ECs, studying, sleeping, exercising, connecting with friends and family, etc- you know actually being functioning members of society instead of behind a computer screen day after day writing these stupid essays for no purpose whatsoever.

Example- is it important that your surgeon do a great job operating - wouldn’t you hope they spent time learning the anatomy, practicing their skills, knowing what to do in case of complication. …. Or instead do you prefer they spent a lot of time learning and perfecting the art of creative writing? Do you really want a surgeon who is a good writer but not a good surgeon? Seriously!

Being able to convey information succinctly, clearly, and kindly is way more important and valuable imho than being able to write a riveting story. Now if you want to be a successful novelist, the latter is important but for everyone else, the former is far more useful. I find most people cannot do this well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

That’s a ridiculous accusation! Reducing the number of essays actually helps colleges revert back to recruiting overall higher quality students as essays have been used as one of the “holistic” tools to stay away from meritocracy.

Meritocracy but can’t write an essay? Sure.

If you want the best students, they can write an essay without bemoaning that it’s inequitable.

There is the common app essay and there can be a why school essay to demonstrate your writing skills. If you want to be an English composition major, go ahead to submit your supplemental writing samples. Hoping to game the system and gain advantage by slipping in sob story opportunities is simply corruption.

But supps are the meritocratic part? It’s literally how departments decipher who has the grit and passion to actually make it through. This once again sounds like meritocracy, only in my terms when I like it.

That’s fake meritocracy though because 1) it’s subject to AO’s interpretation and helps them game the system, and more importantly 2) it can be totally and easily faked. It’s like asking the students to proctor their own SAT tests and trust the subsequent scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyday our standards get lower and lower. Now the kids don’t need to know how to write or persuade others. God, this country’s education is a joke.

That’s a ridiculous accusation! Reducing the number of essays actually helps colleges revert back to recruiting overall higher quality students as essays have been used as one of the “holistic” tools to stay away from meritocracy.

Meritocracy but can’t write an essay? Sure.

If you want the best students, they can write an essay without bemoaning that it’s inequitable.

There is the common app essay and there can be a why school essay to demonstrate your writing skills. If you want to be an English composition major, go ahead to submit your supplemental writing samples. Hoping to game the system and gain advantage by slipping in sob story opportunities is simply corruption.

But supps are the meritocratic part? It’s literally how departments decipher who has the grit and passion to actually make it through. This once again sounds like meritocracy, only in my terms when I like it.

That’s fake meritocracy though because 1) it’s subject to AO’s interpretation and helps them game the system, and more importantly 2) it can be totally and easily faked. It’s like asking the students to proctor their own SAT tests and trust the subsequent scores.

Right because the SAT is such a great measure- an exam that doesn’t have any calculus or higher level math and has the most basic English questions possible, and now is even easier on the online version. That’s such a rigorous exam