What is an appropriate time frame for a "shadowing" experience in healthcare/finance/law?

[Anonymous]

She could go to the county courthouse and just sit in on any open courtroom to see people doing motions hearings and maybe a trial or status hearings. It would be one view of law.

I couldn’t really bring a Hs student into my office. I’d be sitting at my desk and I think it would impact the privilege if she listened in on client calls.

[Anonymous]

My husband owns a small consulting firm and is sometimes asked if they will take interns or students to observe. He always has to say no. His staff needs to bill hours to clients and they simply don’t have the time to have someone come do that and answer questions. It would be a lot of time watching them on computers or on phone calls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I manage a surgical practice and we occasionally have high schoolers shadow ( not a formal program but just friends or family members of staff members).
They are usually there for a day or 2 max. They’ll shadow some of the doctors and nurses when seeing patients in consults and pre/ post operative visits but they cannot go into the operating room to observe surgery if they are under 18.

Do patients have to give their written consent before HSer can come in? Can they say no?

We usually just ask the patient but don’t request written consent. The doctor / PA will say “ I have Larla here shadowing me today and she’s interested in becoming a doctor one day, are you ok if she sits in on this consultation “. I’d say about 8 times out of 10, the patients are ok with it. Many patients also appreciate that their doctor is nice enough to give that opportunity to a kid.

My pediatrician did that when I was a little kid. I said absolutely not. I barely wanted the doctor seeing me in my underwear!

[Anonymous]

Yikes your kid has pre selected some of the dreariest career fields

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I manage a surgical practice and we occasionally have high schoolers shadow ( not a formal program but just friends or family members of staff members).
They are usually there for a day or 2 max. They’ll shadow some of the doctors and nurses when seeing patients in consults and pre/ post operative visits but they cannot go into the operating room to observe surgery if they are under 18.

Meaning that 18 year old can observe surgery?! That seems crazy. Is this behind glass or close up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I manage a surgical practice and we occasionally have high schoolers shadow ( not a formal program but just friends or family members of staff members).
They are usually there for a day or 2 max. They’ll shadow some of the doctors and nurses when seeing patients in consults and pre/ post operative visits but they cannot go into the operating room to observe surgery if they are under 18.

Meaning that 18 year old can observe surgery?! That seems crazy. Is this behind glass or close up?

DP - Mine was allowed inside the OR room. They had to stay away from the sterile field, but did get a lot out of it. It was a pivotal experience for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I manage a surgical practice and we occasionally have high schoolers shadow ( not a formal program but just friends or family members of staff members).
They are usually there for a day or 2 max. They’ll shadow some of the doctors and nurses when seeing patients in consults and pre/ post operative visits but they cannot go into the operating room to observe surgery if they are under 18.

Meaning that 18 year old can observe surgery?! That seems crazy. Is this behind glass or close up?

DP - Mine was allowed inside the OR room. They had to stay away from the sterile field, but did get a lot out of it. It was a pivotal experience for them.

A minor and an unauthorized person in the OR??
Such a huge liability, privacy compromise, and ethics violation to boot.

Either it didn't happen or, if it did, not in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I manage a surgical practice and we occasionally have high schoolers shadow ( not a formal program but just friends or family members of staff members).
They are usually there for a day or 2 max. They’ll shadow some of the doctors and nurses when seeing patients in consults and pre/ post operative visits but they cannot go into the operating room to observe surgery if they are under 18.

Meaning that 18 year old can observe surgery?! That seems crazy. Is this behind glass or close up?

DP - Mine was allowed inside the OR room. They had to stay away from the sterile field, but did get a lot out of it. It was a pivotal experience for them.

Pp. I'm shocked, I've always thought only medical students, not HS kids especially as the original PP (not the person I'm replying to) said not a formal program, just family and friends! I hope real consent is given from the patients, meaning not sprung on them the day of surgery.

[Anonymous]

I work at a federal court house, and I occasionally see groups of HS students who are part of various organizations, clubs, moot court competitions, etc. come in and get tours, talks from court personnel, and sit in on court proceedings. Maybe there is something she can join that would lead to something like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD is a sophomore who is interested in shadowing in different workplaces to see what might be a good fit for her for an internship in her junior year. She is interested in shadowing in healthcare, finance and law workplaces. Is a full day of shadowing too much or is a half day more appropriate? Should she ask to shadow more than 1 day? I work in architecture so having high school students shadow is pretty common. I wasn't sure if it was the same in other industries. Thanks for insights.

My DC has shadowed for the last 3 summers (so going into Jr year and going to college this fall). It was in dentistry and unpaid. But this is common in the field.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I manage a surgical practice and we occasionally have high schoolers shadow ( not a formal program but just friends or family members of staff members).
They are usually there for a day or 2 max. They’ll shadow some of the doctors and nurses when seeing patients in consults and pre/ post operative visits but they cannot go into the operating room to observe surgery if they are under 18.

Meaning that 18 year old can observe surgery?! That seems crazy. Is this behind glass or close up?

DP - Mine was allowed inside the OR room. They had to stay away from the sterile field, but did get a lot out of it. It was a pivotal experience for them.

Pp. I'm shocked, I've always thought only medical students, not HS kids especially as the original PP (not the person I'm replying to) said not a formal program, just family and friends! I hope real consent is given from the patients, meaning not sprung on them the day of surgery.

My DC also shadowed (jr year of high school) in the anesthesia field for a full day in the hospital. Was in the OR for cardiac and ortho surgeries

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I manage a surgical practice and we occasionally have high schoolers shadow ( not a formal program but just friends or family members of staff members).
They are usually there for a day or 2 max. They’ll shadow some of the doctors and nurses when seeing patients in consults and pre/ post operative visits but they cannot go into the operating room to observe surgery if they are under 18.

Meaning that 18 year old can observe surgery?! That seems crazy. Is this behind glass or close up?

DP - Mine was allowed inside the OR room. They had to stay away from the sterile field, but did get a lot out of it. It was a pivotal experience for them.

A minor and an unauthorized person in the OR??
Such a huge liability, privacy compromise, and ethics violation to boot.

Either it didn't happen or, if it did, not in the US.

Wrong. It does happen as mine did it too.

[Anonymous]

Looks like she chose the only jobs she knows about. Law, finance, medicine. Those are three different fields for three different types of people. Maybe she should try narrow it down to two which is more easily managed.

[Anonymous]

It's not an ethical or liability issue.

[Anonymous]

OP, many of these industries are much more regulated than they used to be. I’m a physician and definitely followed my dad around when I was in high school and everyone just allowed it. I’m sure they were also kind of annoyed by it. As an ER doctor, I have people try to connect their high school and college students with me and the answer is absolutely not. I’m seeing 3 to 5 critically ill patients an hour and it’s honestly kind of a nightmare in healthcare right now. If your child truly has an interest in healthcare, there are entry-level clinical jobs that they can do for the summer. Even better, have them apply to Scribe America. Those jobs are going to disappear fast because everyone’s going to AI, but some ERs and offices are still using kids that are interested in healthcare as scribes. There’s no better shadowing experience than being a scribe. Those kids went everywhere with me, including into every trauma.