Hiring and Attracting Younger Employees

[Anonymous]

I’m 56 and would absolutely love to be 36 and consider that young, or at least younger. You sound like you have some kind of problem or a chip on your shoulder. And what you are missing is that to the 36th and 38-year-old, you are OLD.

[Anonymous]

My team has people aged 18-45. 80% of the work is performed by the over 30s. The youngsters have horrendous work ethics. We are assistant nurses so punctuality is essential since we have to provide uninterrupted 24/7 coverage and they are always 30min plus late. They refuse to do “ menial” work that was in the job description they voluntarily applied for. They are using the job as a resume builder to apply to college for a health profession yet don’t want to do the grunt work involved. It’s infuriating!

Give me 30 year olds new starters every day, they will do the freaking job they are paid to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. 38 is young and many people are starting families then. I'm 45 and want to retire at 55. I'm done working. I want to live, volunteer, enjoy the world. If we had more vacations and 35 hr workweeks,'I'd work longer but I'm exhausted.

+1 A lot of educated people have kids in their late 30s, early 40s. So, yes, her point is valid. She is "young" enough to still have kids.

What company these days don't offer some form of maternity leave? The kinds that are stingy and probably not a great place to work for.

I cringed reading OP's email as a 55 yr old woman. How clueless of you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. 38 is young and many people are starting families then. I'm 45 and want to retire at 55. I'm done working. I want to live, volunteer, enjoy the world. If we had more vacations and 35 hr workweeks,'I'd work longer but I'm exhausted.

+1 A lot of educated people have kids in their late 30s, early 40s. So, yes, her point is valid. She is "young" enough to still have kids.

What company these days don't offer some form of maternity leave? The kinds that are stingy and probably not a great place to work for.

I cringed reading OP's email as a 55 yr old woman. How clueless of you.

Because we have very very generous sick days per year that don’t expire. This particular women thinks we should give it day one. So nearly everyone gets it covered full pay. When hired she brought up maternity leave after a few weeks. I told her FMLA is one year, but she could do STD to cover 2/3rds and when she builds up sick days will cover rest.

I don’t know how having an older work force who may get sick, go on disability would enjoy working OT though cover new hires taking off months in end in first year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m 56 and would absolutely love to be 36 and consider that young, or at least younger. You sound like you have some kind of problem or a chip on your shoulder. And what you are missing is that to the 36th and 38-year-old, you are OLD.

Old meaning this. The 36 year old with two kids thinking of a third died to child care, husband, life in general takes full advanced of remote three days a week, Flex Time so comes in early leaves early when in office two days a week. Can’t work one second OT or come in one second early and remote days same thing. all fine.

Trouble is I can’t mentor her, get her better trained, take on extra work properly to get her promoted up as a proper succession plan, other trouble the younger staff who report to her are in my office all the time so I am supervising and training them. I have done interviews new staff, staff lunch, regulator meetings without her all fine. But the old people who are crapping out soon is she the answer?

Guess what I saw her resume and this lady was a go getter from 21-29. My 38 year old guy same thing. Yet both thing they are the type of younger people we need. Guess what I want to hire both of them in their 22 year old version. Get a good 8 years of work out of then perhaps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m 56 and would absolutely love to be 36 and consider that young, or at least younger. You sound like you have some kind of problem or a chip on your shoulder. And what you are missing is that to the 36th and 38-year-old, you are OLD.

Old meaning this. The 36 year old with two kids thinking of a third died to child care, husband, life in general takes full advanced of remote three days a week, Flex Time so comes in early leaves early when in office two days a week. Can’t work one second OT or come in one second early and remote days same thing. all fine.

Trouble is I can’t mentor her, get her better trained, take on extra work properly to get her promoted up as a proper succession plan, other trouble the younger staff who report to her are in my office all the time so I am supervising and training them. I have done interviews new staff, staff lunch, regulator meetings without her all fine. But the old people who are crapping out soon is she the answer?

Guess what I saw her resume and this lady was a go getter from 21-29. My 38 year old guy same thing. Yet both thing they are the type of younger people we need. Guess what I want to hire both of them in their 22 year old version. Get a good 8 years of work out of then perhaps.

I don’t think your company needs to find someone younger; they need to find someone who can write in coherent English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You guys get trolled by J1/J2/J3 guy so easily...

While it sounds like him I didn’t see all the grammatical errors like I normally do.

Most women have their last baby 35-40. Actually it’s the same as it was in the 1950s! While women then started younger, they still had their last baby at the same age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m 56 and would absolutely love to be 36 and consider that young, or at least younger. You sound like you have some kind of problem or a chip on your shoulder. And what you are missing is that to the 36th and 38-year-old, you are OLD.

Old meaning this. The 36 year old with two kids thinking of a third died to child care, husband, life in general takes full advanced of remote three days a week, Flex Time so comes in early leaves early when in office two days a week. Can’t work one second OT or come in one second early and remote days same thing. all fine.

Trouble is I can’t mentor her, get her better trained, take on extra work properly to get her promoted up as a proper succession plan, other trouble the younger staff who report to her are in my office all the time so I am supervising and training them. I have done interviews new staff, staff lunch, regulator meetings without her all fine. But the old people who are crapping out soon is she the answer?

Guess what I saw her resume and this lady was a go getter from 21-29. My 38 year old guy same thing. Yet both thing they are the type of younger people we need. Guess what I want to hire both of them in their 22 year old version. Get a good 8 years of work out of then perhaps.

I don’t think your company needs to find someone younger; they need to find someone who can write in coherent English.

I think that is why I have CoPilot and AI at work. Jeff is too cheap to put it on this site. Maybe years ago I recall my old boss went to a new company and had a rule never hire anyone between 30 and 55. I asked him why. He said I hire 10-20 percent people 55 and over who are just happy to be working, they will work hard, stay to 65, not push me for big raises and promotions and most are long past the young kid stage or empty nesters who can devote time to job and enjoy training and working with young staff. Can get 5-10 years of work out of them then retire in a manner where it is orderly and non disruptive. OT or travel no issues. No kids to run home to.

The under 30 crowd are usually single, no kids, maybe newly engaged focused on career, willing to work hard, lower payer. Eager to learn. I can also get 5-10 years out of them.

He claimed the 30-55 crowd were headaches, demanding big money, job hoppers, on maternity leave, paternity leave, always pushing big raises and promotions. One big headache.

Granted he had 30-55 year old people but they were folks he hired under 30 who learned from the 55 people and when they retired took their roles over. Without being pushy. They had time on their side.

His answer to go younger was to go way younger. He retired after doing this for like 15 years and guess what one of the under 30 people he hired now in her 40s took it over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys get trolled by J1/J2/J3 guy so easily...

While it sounds like him I didn’t see all the grammatical errors like I normally do.

Most women have their last baby 35-40. Actually it’s the same as it was in the 1950s! While women then started younger, they still had their last baby at the same age.

Well my Mom had four kids. She was a working women and got married not till 32. Was a type A perfect best rating type worker. After she had her first at 34 went back briefly part time but realized she could not put the effort in to be a great mom and a great worker. She became a SAHM had four kids. She went back to work at 54 and worked till 65 once again top ratings.

She only had two jobs in her life. The one till 32 and the one 54-65. And guess what my Mom at 36 the same age at the "young" 36 year old women with two kids under the age of 3 and pregnant with her third kid and married several years is not a Young Women and no way could she work like she did at 25 when single.

She had an apartment in Manhattan and a career women who lived 10 minutes from work at 26. At 36 in with a home to manage with two kids and about to give birth is a world apart.
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. 38 is young and many people are starting families then. I'm 45 and want to retire at 55. I'm done working. I want to live, volunteer, enjoy the world. If we had more vacations and 35 hr workweeks,'I'd work longer but I'm exhausted.

+1 A lot of educated people have kids in their late 30s, early 40s. So, yes, her point is valid. She is "young" enough to still have kids.

What company these days don't offer some form of maternity leave? The kinds that are stingy and probably not a great place to work for.

I cringed reading OP's email as a 55 yr old woman. How clueless of you.

Because we have very very generous sick days per year that don’t expire. This particular women thinks we should give it day one. So nearly everyone gets it covered full pay. When hired she brought up maternity leave after a few weeks. I told her FMLA is one year, but she could do STD to cover 2/3rds and when she builds up sick days will cover rest.

I don’t know how having an older work force who may get sick, go on disability would enjoy working OT though cover new hires taking off months in end in first year

But does your company allow pregnant women to take sick days for maternity leave? That's the sticking point.

So, you are saying that you don't want to hire younger people in case they want to take leave to have kids, and the old foggies there don't want to have to cover for them?

But they are ok for younger people to cover for them if those old people need to take a lot of sick leave because of old age issues?

Who the heck do you think is going to pay into the social security program so you can collect it when you retire?

-54 yr old woman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m 56 and would absolutely love to be 36 and consider that young, or at least younger. You sound like you have some kind of problem or a chip on your shoulder. And what you are missing is that to the 36th and 38-year-old, you are OLD.

Old meaning this. The 36 year old with two kids thinking of a third died to child care, husband, life in general takes full advanced of remote three days a week, Flex Time so comes in early leaves early when in office two days a week. Can’t work one second OT or come in one second early and remote days same thing. all fine.

Trouble is I can’t mentor her, get her better trained, take on extra work properly to get her promoted up as a proper succession plan, other trouble the younger staff who report to her are in my office all the time so I am supervising and training them. I have done interviews new staff, staff lunch, regulator meetings without her all fine. But the old people who are crapping out soon is she the answer?

Guess what I saw her resume and this lady was a go getter from 21-29. My 38 year old guy same thing. Yet both thing they are the type of younger people we need. Guess what I want to hire both of them in their 22 year old version. Get a good 8 years of work out of then perhaps.

I don’t think your company needs to find someone younger; they need to find someone who can write in coherent English.

Despite the grammar police on dcurbanmom, the rest of the country including nyc finance scene and Bay Area tech all speak broken English.

[Anonymous]

This is J1 J2 guy again...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys get trolled by J1/J2/J3 guy so easily...

While it sounds like him I didn’t see all the grammatical errors like I normally do.

Most women have their last baby 35-40. Actually it’s the same as it was in the 1950s! While women then started younger, they still had their last baby at the same age.

Its definitely him. There's those long rambling incoherent sentences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. 38 is young and many people are starting families then. I'm 45 and want to retire at 55. I'm done working. I want to live, volunteer, enjoy the world. If we had more vacations and 35 hr workweeks,'I'd work longer but I'm exhausted.

+1 A lot of educated people have kids in their late 30s, early 40s. So, yes, her point is valid. She is "young" enough to still have kids.

What company these days don't offer some form of maternity leave? The kinds that are stingy and probably not a great place to work for.

I cringed reading OP's email as a 55 yr old woman. How clueless of you.

Because we have very very generous sick days per year that don’t expire. This particular women thinks we should give it day one. So nearly everyone gets it covered full pay. When hired she brought up maternity leave after a few weeks. I told her FMLA is one year, but she could do STD to cover 2/3rds and when she builds up sick days will cover rest.

I don’t know how having an older work force who may get sick, go on disability would enjoy working OT though cover new hires taking off months in end in first year

But does your company allow pregnant women to take sick days for maternity leave? That's the sticking point.

So, you are saying that you don't want to hire younger people in case they want to take leave to have kids, and the old foggies there don't want to have to cover for them?

But they are ok for younger people to cover for them if those old people need to take a lot of sick leave because of old age issues?

Who the heck do you think is going to pay into the social security program so you can collect it when you retire?

-54 yr old woman

Yep you can take whole time off with full pay using sick days if you have them and stay on insurance just like at work if you have the days. The old people literally take zero sick days. They seem to always come in. My point was a 64 working a ton of OT to cover a 34 year old all the time is not fair. There is no paternity leave so that same man when he had kids was at work. Those older guys are already covering a lot as folks run out door drop off and pick up and when other people kids sick. They get dumped on a lot. If they had some young staff 22-29 would give them a break.

[Anonymous]

Idk fwiw OP I’m GenX and will definitely be done working before 60.