CogAT - Is the composite score or one of the section score used for AAP application?

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Anonymous wrote:DC’s verbal section is not very good

DC had a verbal section that was an outlier and made no sense based on strengths and other testing. There were also issues in the classroom on testing day. We sought out a WISC and the verbal score was 99%. DC got in on appeal.

[Anonymous]

First few posters are 100% wrong. For several years now, in pool status is solely determined by how your child's scores compares to others at their immediate elementary school.

My child, for example, had a 136 COGAT. That was not top 10 percent at his school, he was not given pool standing. To be fair, he also didn't wow on the NNAT, with a 119, and they may average those scores.

My other child, who had a 132 COGAT and 128 NNAT, was also not top 10 percent at our school. This blew my mind as both kids were routinely 99tb percentile on IReady.

Both also got into AAP on the first round, so being in pool truly isn't the only factor.

[Anonymous]

I really think there is perhaps too much emphasis on COGAT alone sometimes. I.e., the kid does really well but work samples may be weak OR they are obviously perhaps not the child’s work ( imagine that, right)… and they can tell during central screening btw (or have reservations)…. Back to COGAT… so my girl did 98 percentile Non verbal and 97 percentile quantitative, but only 57 on Verbal. Blew us away because she speaks 3 languages and reads well behind her school year. Turns out the Verbal battery was first of the 3 at GMU and she said she was really nervous taking the test initially and we determined through process of elimination it was her first battery… so we attributed that to test nerves and she obviously did better on the next two.. the screening committee we assume could see based on work samples perhaps this was an anomaly, or the other two batteries were strong enough to satisfy their wants… who knows. We contemplated taking it again just to see but decided not to since she was accepted. This all reminded me of applying to college. They never tell you what it is you are missing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really think there is perhaps too much emphasis on COGAT alone sometimes. I.e., the kid does really well but work samples may be weak OR they are obviously perhaps not the child’s work ( imagine that, right)… and they can tell during central screening btw (or have reservations)…. Back to COGAT… so my girl did 98 percentile Non verbal and 97 percentile quantitative, but only 57 on Verbal. Blew us away because she speaks 3 languages and reads well behind her school year. Turns out the Verbal battery was first of the 3 at GMU and she said she was really nervous taking the test initially and we determined through process of elimination it was her first battery… so we attributed that to test nerves and she obviously did better on the next two.. the screening committee we assume could see based on work samples perhaps this was an anomaly, or the other two batteries were strong enough to satisfy their wants… who knows. We contemplated taking it again just to see but decided not to since she was accepted. This all reminded me of applying to college. They never tell you what it is you are missing

Did you take any other testing besides COGAT or was that all you submitted? It sounds like you did the parent referral?

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Anonymous wrote:I really think there is perhaps too much emphasis on COGAT alone sometimes. I.e., the kid does really well but work samples may be weak OR they are obviously perhaps not the child’s work ( imagine that, right)… and they can tell during central screening btw (or have reservations)…. Back to COGAT… so my girl did 98 percentile Non verbal and 97 percentile quantitative, but only 57 on Verbal. Blew us away because she speaks 3 languages and reads well behind her school year. Turns out the Verbal battery was first of the 3 at GMU and she said she was really nervous taking the test initially and we determined through process of elimination it was her first battery… so we attributed that to test nerves and she obviously did better on the next two.. the screening committee we assume could see based on work samples perhaps this was an anomaly, or the other two batteries were strong enough to satisfy their wants… who knows. We contemplated taking it again just to see but decided not to since she was accepted. This all reminded me of applying to college. They never tell you what it is you are missing

Did you take any other testing besides COGAT or was that all you submitted? It sounds like you did the parent referral?

That was the only standardized test we submitted. Yes, we are coming from private school going in to 5th with FCPS so this was all new to us and involved a bunch of leg work. We discussed taking a WISC as well but how much do you want to stress your kid with this stuff. Our actual goal was just to hopefully keep her in class with other kids whose parents support their education and take some responsibility. As opposed to being a child that requires 90 percent of a teachers time and attention because the parents are not engaged or care. We are thankful to be accepted but it would not have been the end of the world if we didn’t get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They won't get in. My child had a great score but low verbal and didn't get in

That’s not necessarily true… we had 98 percentile NV, 97 percentile Q but only 56 V… it really depends on the overall packet and work samples. My girl speaks 3 languages so really surprised us on Verbal… test nerves on first battery we assume. She was accepted…. So don’t give up!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They won't get in. My child had a great score but low verbal and didn't get in

That’s not necessarily true… we had 98 percentile NV, 97 percentile Q but only 56 V… it really depends on the overall packet and work samples. My girl speaks 3 languages so really surprised us on Verbal… test nerves on first battery we assume. She was accepted…. So don’t give up!

2nd grade CogAT verbal is more things like picture analogies and tests logic skills as opposed to actual language skills.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, one score can be used to determine if a child is in-pool, the entire score is going to be looked at to determine eligibility.

In the past, as long as a child had a 132 in one sub score on the CoGAT or NNAT, they would be included in the in-pool determination. But that was 2 years ago and it is not clear if the in-pool determination is using sub scores or composite scores or both.

Many of the kids whose scores were posted here and who were not selected for LIV services had a decent point gap between sub-scores. That indicates that the child might need services in one area and not the other because the child is stronger in one area then the other.

I am assuming you will be applying for an older student because the 2nd grade kids do not have CoGAT scores yet to discuss. I am also assuming that your kids overall packet was not strong and that your kid was not placed into LIV.

If the above is true, then I would assume that an application in a later grade will need a lot more support because the one strong sub-score was not enough to get your child placed into LIV. The CoGAT and NNAT will be included on every packet when you apply.

This is not how the pool is determined anymore.

All that FCPS has publicly said is that it's a combination of NNAT and CogAT. This board has assumed it is a straight average of the VQN from the CogAT and the NNAT.
how is the pool determined now?

and the threshold is still 132 for the average?

There is no fixed threshold to be in-pool. It’s school dependent and varies annually based on scores for that year at that school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They won't get in. My child had a great score but low verbal and didn't get in

That’s not necessarily true… we had 98 percentile NV, 97 percentile Q but only 56 V… it really depends on the overall packet and work samples. My girl speaks 3 languages so really surprised us on Verbal… test nerves on first battery we assume. She was accepted…. So don’t give up!

2nd grade CogAT verbal is more things like picture analogies and tests logic skills as opposed to actual language skills.

Got it… we were a bit different taking in 4th grade so may be the difference? It’s still a very opaque process no matter and I can see the frustration of parents

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They won't get in. My child had a great score but low verbal and didn't get in

That’s not necessarily true… we had 98 percentile NV, 97 percentile Q but only 56 V… it really depends on the overall packet and work samples. My girl speaks 3 languages so really surprised us on Verbal… test nerves on first battery we assume. She was accepted…. So don’t give up!

2nd grade CogAT verbal is more things like picture analogies and tests logic skills as opposed to actual language skills.

Got it… we were a bit different taking in 4th grade so may be the difference? It’s still a very opaque process no matter and I can see the frustration of parents

There is no pool for anyone other than 2nd graders and never has been. You have to parent refer (or a teacher has to refer, or a child self-refer) outside of those years.

[Anonymous]

DC had a low verbal COGAT and got rejected if you needed another data point. Very in the middle HOPE score (Mostly Oftens)

[Anonymous]

what grade do the kids take the NNAT and CoGAT? to be considered for AAP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:what grade do the kids take the NNAT and CoGAT? to be considered for AAP

NAAT is 1st grade
CoGAT is 2nd grade

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC’s verbal section is not very good

DC had a verbal section that was an outlier and made no sense based on strengths and other testing. There were also issues in the classroom on testing day. We sought out a WISC and the verbal score was 99%. DC got in on appeal.

Same exact thing with my child. My child hadn't used pictures while reading in years so I think they weren't able to easily decipher the pictures.