CogAT - Is the composite score or one of the section score used for AAP application?

[Anonymous]

DC’s verbal section is not very good

[Anonymous]

One score can be used to determine if a student is in-pool or not but the entire score is submitted. Many times students with one high score and one weak score will end up in Advanced Math or getting LIII services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One score can be used to determine if a student is in-pool or not but the entire score is submitted. Many times students with one high score and one weak score will end up in Advanced Math or getting LIII services.

Thanks! Is the one score usually nonverbal or the highest score the kid got?

[Anonymous]

Again, one score can be used to determine if a child is in-pool, the entire score is going to be looked at to determine eligibility.

In the past, as long as a child had a 132 in one sub score on the CoGAT or NNAT, they would be included in the in-pool determination. But that was 2 years ago and it is not clear if the in-pool determination is using sub scores or composite scores or both.

Many of the kids whose scores were posted here and who were not selected for LIV services had a decent point gap between sub-scores. That indicates that the child might need services in one area and not the other because the child is stronger in one area then the other.

I am assuming you will be applying for an older student because the 2nd grade kids do not have CoGAT scores yet to discuss. I am also assuming that your kids overall packet was not strong and that your kid was not placed into LIV.

If the above is true, then I would assume that an application in a later grade will need a lot more support because the one strong sub-score was not enough to get your child placed into LIV. The CoGAT and NNAT will be included on every packet when you apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, one score can be used to determine if a child is in-pool, the entire score is going to be looked at to determine eligibility.

In the past, as long as a child had a 132 in one sub score on the CoGAT or NNAT, they would be included in the in-pool determination. But that was 2 years ago and it is not clear if the in-pool determination is using sub scores or composite scores or both.

Many of the kids whose scores were posted here and who were not selected for LIV services had a decent point gap between sub-scores. That indicates that the child might need services in one area and not the other because the child is stronger in one area then the other.

I am assuming you will be applying for an older student because the 2nd grade kids do not have CoGAT scores yet to discuss. I am also assuming that your kids overall packet was not strong and that your kid was not placed into LIV.

If the above is true, then I would assume that an application in a later grade will need a lot more support because the one strong sub-score was not enough to get your child placed into LIV. The CoGAT and NNAT will be included on every packet when you apply.

This is not how the pool is determined anymore.

[Anonymous]

I have a rising 2nd grader. They take Cogat in the fall. Does that get included in their application? The parent refferals are due by mid December. Are the cogat scores available by then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, one score can be used to determine if a child is in-pool, the entire score is going to be looked at to determine eligibility.

In the past, as long as a child had a 132 in one sub score on the CoGAT or NNAT, they would be included in the in-pool determination. But that was 2 years ago and it is not clear if the in-pool determination is using sub scores or composite scores or both.

Many of the kids whose scores were posted here and who were not selected for LIV services had a decent point gap between sub-scores. That indicates that the child might need services in one area and not the other because the child is stronger in one area then the other.

I am assuming you will be applying for an older student because the 2nd grade kids do not have CoGAT scores yet to discuss. I am also assuming that your kids overall packet was not strong and that your kid was not placed into LIV.

If the above is true, then I would assume that an application in a later grade will need a lot more support because the one strong sub-score was not enough to get your child placed into LIV. The CoGAT and NNAT will be included on every packet when you apply.

This is not how the pool is determined anymore.

how is the pool determined now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, one score can be used to determine if a child is in-pool, the entire score is going to be looked at to determine eligibility.

In the past, as long as a child had a 132 in one sub score on the CoGAT or NNAT, they would be included in the in-pool determination. But that was 2 years ago and it is not clear if the in-pool determination is using sub scores or composite scores or both.

Many of the kids whose scores were posted here and who were not selected for LIV services had a decent point gap between sub-scores. That indicates that the child might need services in one area and not the other because the child is stronger in one area then the other.

I am assuming you will be applying for an older student because the 2nd grade kids do not have CoGAT scores yet to discuss. I am also assuming that your kids overall packet was not strong and that your kid was not placed into LIV.

If the above is true, then I would assume that an application in a later grade will need a lot more support because the one strong sub-score was not enough to get your child placed into LIV. The CoGAT and NNAT will be included on every packet when you apply.

This is not how the pool is determined anymore.

All that FCPS has publicly said is that it's a combination of NNAT and CogAT. This board has assumed it is a straight average of the VQN from the CogAT and the NNAT.
how is the pool determined now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, one score can be used to determine if a child is in-pool, the entire score is going to be looked at to determine eligibility.

In the past, as long as a child had a 132 in one sub score on the CoGAT or NNAT, they would be included in the in-pool determination. But that was 2 years ago and it is not clear if the in-pool determination is using sub scores or composite scores or both.

Many of the kids whose scores were posted here and who were not selected for LIV services had a decent point gap between sub-scores. That indicates that the child might need services in one area and not the other because the child is stronger in one area then the other.

I am assuming you will be applying for an older student because the 2nd grade kids do not have CoGAT scores yet to discuss. I am also assuming that your kids overall packet was not strong and that your kid was not placed into LIV.

If the above is true, then I would assume that an application in a later grade will need a lot more support because the one strong sub-score was not enough to get your child placed into LIV. The CoGAT and NNAT will be included on every packet when you apply.

This is not how the pool is determined anymore.

All that FCPS has publicly said is that it's a combination of NNAT and CogAT. This board has assumed it is a straight average of the VQN from the CogAT and the NNAT.
how is the pool determined now?

and the threshold is still 132 for the average?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a rising 2nd grader. They take Cogat in the fall. Does that get included in their application? The parent refferals are due by mid December. Are the cogat scores available by then?

The CogAT is included and is one of the primary tools for determining in pool status (doesn't qualify or disqualify a student, just makes them automatically looked at).

The scores are not necessarily available before the parent referrals are due. Our AART's advice was that you should compile a parent referral regardless of in-pool status. So, if you're interested, just do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, one score can be used to determine if a child is in-pool, the entire score is going to be looked at to determine eligibility.

In the past, as long as a child had a 132 in one sub score on the CoGAT or NNAT, they would be included in the in-pool determination. But that was 2 years ago and it is not clear if the in-pool determination is using sub scores or composite scores or both.

Many of the kids whose scores were posted here and who were not selected for LIV services had a decent point gap between sub-scores. That indicates that the child might need services in one area and not the other because the child is stronger in one area then the other.

I am assuming you will be applying for an older student because the 2nd grade kids do not have CoGAT scores yet to discuss. I am also assuming that your kids overall packet was not strong and that your kid was not placed into LIV.

If the above is true, then I would assume that an application in a later grade will need a lot more support because the one strong sub-score was not enough to get your child placed into LIV. The CoGAT and NNAT will be included on every packet when you apply.

This is not how the pool is determined anymore.

how is the pool determined now?

The pool is determined at each ES. They still look at the NNAT and the CoGAT and they use the top 10% of scores. It is unclear if the NNAT and CoGAT scores they are using are composite scores or sub scores, FCPS has not released how individual schools determine the in-pool designation. It used to be that the County wide i-pool designation required only a 132 in a sub score and not the composite score. That could be the same for individual schools or they could be using only composite scores. No one knows.

[Anonymous]

It would be helpful if you posted the scores. There is a difference between a "low" score of 125 vs. 115 vs. 105.

A lot of kids are still admitted with high Q and NV, but lower V scores, providing that they have other evidence that their child is advanced in language arts.

Also, PP who said that one high and one low score = Advanced math or LIII is wrong. A lot of kids with one high and one low get admitted to AAP. The trick is that you have to convince the committee that your child's needs cannot be met in their area of strength in gen ed, and they're strong enough in their area of weakness that they can handle the AAP curriculum. Depending on how strong your kid is in math, advanced math isn't necessarily the solution. Placement also isn't guaranteed, even if your child absolutely needs advanced math.

[Anonymous]

They won't get in. My child had a great score but low verbal and didn't get in

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They won't get in. My child had a great score but low verbal and didn't get in

Verbal isn't the biggest one they look at. That's quant. NV is the lowest, and verbal is somewhere in the middle.

Or that's how it was as of 2020 when data was last released.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be helpful if you posted the scores. There is a difference between a "low" score of 125 vs. 115 vs. 105.

A lot of kids are still admitted with high Q and NV, but lower V scores, providing that they have other evidence that their child is advanced in language arts.

Also, PP who said that one high and one low score = Advanced math or LIII is wrong. A lot of kids with one high and one low get admitted to AAP. The trick is that you have to convince the committee that your child's needs cannot be met in their area of strength in gen ed, and they're strong enough in their area of weakness that they can handle the AAP curriculum. Depending on how strong your kid is in math, advanced math isn't necessarily the solution. Placement also isn't guaranteed, even if your child absolutely needs advanced math.

My kid got in with a Q and NV so far apart that the test flagged it as an error.