What are those stats for micropremies gestated in corpses? |
In cases of brain death during pregnancy, successful delivery of a healthy baby is possible, but the outcome is significantly influenced by the gestational age at the time of brain death. While maintaining somatic support for the mother is medically challenging, advances in critical care allow for the potential to sustain the pregnancy to allow for fetal development and delivery. A systematic review found that, in cases of brain death during pregnancy, the majority of neonates (77%) were born alive, and 85% of these infants had a normal outcome at 20 months of life. https://www.binasss.sa.cr/gine/26.pdf The cringiest part of dcum are the posters who base their opinion on a book of fiction (Handmaid’s Tale) and the tv show with actors and actresses playing pretend. I mean, how can you ignore science for a tv show based on a fictional book? Aren’t you embarrassed? |
Aren’t you embarrassed for skipping the bolded. Let’s not focus on a 30 weekend whose mother has had an otherwise healthy pregnancy and who hangs on for a couple f weeks— or a duel of days so steroids can be given. Because that’s what “normal”. Brain dead woman in the 3rd trimester and baby is delivered in a relatively short time frame after brain death. Those are the rosy stats you are giving. And. Know this cause of the bolded qualifier Brain death of the mother in the first trimester and gives birth to a micro-premie. What are those stats? And BTE,THT episode? Happy ending with a healthy baby. What was grotesque was actually watching a dead being used an incubator. Which,I realize, you don’t want to consider or discuss. |
No I admitted federal Medicaid and SSI benefits for premature infants. So, teirmedical records, their parents after incredibly tiny bodies are my base f knowledge |
I'm a research scientist who worked in a NICU ward, and have read the literature on the subject, OP. My husband is a doctor. There are plenty of preemies who have positive outcomes, I never said otherwise. But negative outcomes increase with the degree of prematurity and this preemie is at HIGH risk. Surely you don't dispute that. I am talking about statistics and probabilities. Surely you understand those concepts. None of us can predict the outcome of this particular infant, but what math tells us is that his chances of survival without any adverse effects are practically nil. And this is before we get into discussions on the physiology of brain-dead mothers kept alive until their fetus has a chance of survival. I cannot comment on that, not having researched the topic. I am just talking about the health risks of micro-preemies in living mothers. |
It's illogical to assume that her dying wish is that her baby would die along with her. That's not how most people think. At all. |
+1 |
Die a painless death as a fetus vs the pain the baby is now likely to go through and quite possibly not survive? |
Keeping track of the world's tiniest babies
Worldwide 'Tiniest Babies Registry' was created at UI Health Care to give parents hope On New Year’s Day in 1994 Ed Bell, MD, helped deliver a baby girl born at 27 weeks gestation. She weighed 359 grams, or about 12.6 ounces. "The baby’s parents asked me if I knew of other infants born that small who had survived,” says Bell, the baby’s neonatologist at University of Iowa Health Care Stead Family Children’s Hospital. “That made me curious, so I started a search.” With internet not yet available, Bell started poring through medical journals and news accounts, “gathering up information about these extremely rare children.” His initial search netted a handful of results. He kept looking, and gathered enough information to launch the Tiniest Babies Registry in 2000, a listing of the world’s smallest surviving babies, all of whom were born weighing less than 400 grams, or 14.1 ounces. https://uihc.org/childrens/news/keeping-track-worlds-tiniest-babies The Tiniest Babies™ Welcome We have developed this website to serve as a registry for the world's smallest surviving babies. Because the survival of infants with birth weights less than 400 grams (14.1 ounces) is very uncommon, it is not possible for meaningful data on the outcomes of these infants to be collected in a single neonatal intensive care unit (NICU) or even a network of NICUs. We hope over time to collect and collate data on the long-term health, growth, and development of this vulnerable group of infants. The infants listed in this registry include those reported in the lay media as well as medical journals. The registry also includes infants submitted directly to the registry by the patient or a family member with verification by a health provider. In addition, some infants are submitted directly by the health provider. We have not attempted to verify the information listed, since in most cases this would not be possible. https://webapps1.healthcare.uiowa.edu/tiniestbabies/Infant/List/All an example from the registry: ![]() |
This baby is not in pain. Citation that Baby Chance is “in pain?” |
I guess wait and see. If they experience seizures (not an unusual occurrence gor some micro premies) they will be in pain |
Everyone stopped reading after the bolded. Don’t do this in real life or on the internet. |
Honestly. I have two beautiful children. And have had a miscarriage and an ectopic. And I would not wish my baby’s death and if I was third trimester and a day or week would give my baby a better outcome, sign me up. But would I want my dead body to be kept alive by machines for months to gestate a first trimester pregnancy for my parents to raise, when we are experimental territory, and there is a real possibility my child could not survive, have a short painful life, have serious life long disabilities, possibly need life long care that my parents won’t live to provide? No. If I were this woman I would want my baby to pass with me- because the likely outcome is not a 3rd trimester birth of a healthy baby, or a baby with minor issues. The sad reality is, not al wanted, wished for and deeply loved first trimester pregnancies end in healthy live births. That fact has caused me enormous personal grief and many tears. But I’ve had to accept- not al pregnancies make it. And this belief doesn’t make me some monster. And you know what? If a woman wanted her body to be kept alive as this woman’s was, she isn’t wrong or a monster either. These are deeply personal decisions, like where to abort second trimester for fatal fetal abnormalities. They should private decisions made by the parents/family, not the government. |
Don’t assume all women would view this very complicated and morally complex situation exactly like you. |
So now the family are going to go bankrupt with enormous medical bills. |