Innocent bystander shot at No King Rally in Utah

[Anonymous]

Anyone find a profile on the neon vest wearing “peacekeeper.” The 50501 movement should never have sent out a call for peacekeepers. They invited this crap. Bunch of yokels cosplaying. Were they vetted? Peacekeepers were allegedly told not to carry.
It’s the local police enforcement’s job.

50501 just shot themselves in the foot, in Utah of all places, where no one needs a permit/license to open carry. Secure spaces like schools, airports, and courthouses can opt to prohibit guns. Emphasis on the word opt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just KNEW these were going to turn violent.

Somewhere between 5 and 11 million Democrats turned out peacefully and the only instances of violence were from unhinged right wingers - shooter in SLC and the would-be shooter who tried pulling her gun on No Kings protesters, MAGA nutcases trying to mow down peaceful marchers in VA and CA, and Proud Boys, Patriot Front and other MAGAs shoving people, trying to bully, harass and agitate. Along with some unwarranted police-inflicted violence on protesters.

[Anonymous]

If you search for the name of the arrestef guy on Google, the top results are a bunch of non-reputable no-name sites (and MSN, that just reposts spam from other sites, what the hell, Microsoft?) reporting false information about the shooting, before you get legitimate journalists like NBC news
So that's cool.

[Anonymous]

The victim, Arthur Folasa Ah Loo, 39, was a clothing designer from Samoa. He was on the show Project Runway, he was married with two children. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It looks like the shooter with the AR 15 (the wanna be mass shooter) shot and killed the bystander. Not the peacekeeper.

Still the guy with the AR15 gun was arrested for murder. According to CNN detectives
“have developed probable cause that Gamboa acted under circumstances that showed a depraved indifference to human life, knowingly engaged in conduct that created a grave risk of death and ultimately caused the death of an innocent community member.”

The peacekeeper hasn’t been charged with anything as of yet

[Anonymous]

So the person who accidentally shot someone and killed them isn’t charged with anything?

I can see charging the other person with felony murder, because that makes sense, too, since their actions were contributory in the death of a bystander.

But not charging the shooter with manslaughter, at the very least? Makes no sense at all. None, zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the person who accidentally shot someone and killed them isn’t charged with anything?

I can see charging the other person with felony murder, because that makes sense, too, since their actions were contributory in the death of a bystander.

But not charging the shooter with manslaughter, at the very least? Makes no sense at all. None, zero.

I agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the person who accidentally shot someone and killed them isn’t charged with anything?

I can see charging the other person with felony murder, because that makes sense, too, since their actions were contributory in the death of a bystander.

But not charging the shooter with manslaughter, at the very least? Makes no sense at all. None, zero.

Legally, it could make sense, but we need more facts. There are elements of the crime that might not be met and there may be legal defenses that are met.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the person who accidentally shot someone and killed them isn’t charged with anything?

I can see charging the other person with felony murder, because that makes sense, too, since their actions were contributory in the death of a bystander.

But not charging the shooter with manslaughter, at the very least? Makes no sense at all. None, zero.

Legally, it could make sense, but we need more facts. There are elements of the crime that might not be met and there may be legal defenses that are met.

Involuntary manslaughter.
The person who killed the bystander intentionally shot the gun. Missing your target doesn’t negate the crime. There’s also a tort here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the person who accidentally shot someone and killed them isn’t charged with anything?

I can see charging the other person with felony murder, because that makes sense, too, since their actions were contributory in the death of a bystander.

But not charging the shooter with manslaughter, at the very least? Makes no sense at all. None, zero.

The shooter was acting in defense of others. The facts may be that no one was in danger, but if he reasonably believed that the AR-carrying man was ready to open fire, then his actions were justified.

While Utah has very generous open carry laws, and the AR-carrying man may have been/was acting lawfully, openly carrying an AR-15 has long been known to be provocative and dangerous - getting shot and/or getting other people shot has long been known to be a consequence of openly carrying a rifle.

I could see charging/convicting the shooter going either way. I tend to fall on his side, depending upon what I have heard about the facts so far. But it could go either way.

[Anonymous]

Nope. Shooter needs to be in jail too. Just because they made an honest mistake doesn’t absolve them of responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the person who accidentally shot someone and killed them isn’t charged with anything?

I can see charging the other person with felony murder, because that makes sense, too, since their actions were contributory in the death of a bystander.

But not charging the shooter with manslaughter, at the very least? Makes no sense at all. None, zero.

Legally, it could make sense, but we need more facts. There are elements of the crime that might not be met and there may be legal defenses that are met.

Involuntary manslaughter.
The person who killed the bystander intentionally shot the gun. Missing your target doesn’t negate the crime. There’s also a tort here.

That is a sliver of the facts and the law. That may be how it turns out, but there is always more to the analysis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nope. Shooter needs to be in jail too. Just because they made an honest mistake doesn’t absolve them of responsibility.

Legally, it might though. Remains to be seen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just KNEW these were going to turn violent.

As usual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just KNEW these were going to turn violent.

As usual.

The vast majority of protests start peaceful and stay peaceful throughout. Protests happen every single day in this country. How often do you hear about one becoming violent?