Does anyone know what colleges are planning for if international students evaporate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just saw something that 6000 MD/PHD students are going to be denied visas when they were scheduled to start residency this July (in a month!). That's an insane blow to the medical system as well. 6000 fewer medical residents will have impacts for many years down the line.

With the attacks on science and medicine at all angles from the federal level (gutting Medicaid, eliminating certain research, firing of many experts from our agencies, questioning vaccine efficacy, attacks on immigrants and international student) I truly fear for the eventual collapse of our healthcare system. These fear-based, xenophobic isolationist policies will not make us healthier or safer in the long run. On the contrary!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the huge cuts in research funding, many grad students who were being paid from grants will be available to TA. There may also be post docs willing to TA for funding, if their grants were cut.

It probably won't be that hard to fill gaps in missing international students this fall for TA spots.
School budgets will be hit and research will slow down, but I don't think it will stop US undergrads from being taught.

Except the TA funding gets cut when the grants and budget get cut. Without research, the grad students can’t continue their line of study.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just saw something that 6000 MD/PHD students are going to be denied visas when they were scheduled to start residency this July (in a month!). That's an insane blow to the medical system as well. 6000 fewer medical residents will have impacts for many years down the line.

There should be immediate shuffling moving remaining residents from red states into blue states. Let the MAGAs who did this show up at the ER with few or no doctors and live the consequences of their actions.

[Anonymous]

yes, medical residents are the work horses of most of America's hospitals. We are loosing thousands and thousands of manpower hours and there is no one to replace them.

The more rural, the greater the impact because residency spots are entirely filled with internationals grads (because US grads don't want these spots). So might have a hospital that has 20 attending physicians in Internal Medicine and 20 residents lose half their workforce. It's going to be nuts. These doctors provide inpatient coverage and outpatient clinic coverage too. I.e. half the town doctors that people see for their diabetes, blood pressures, etc will poof! And there is no one to replace them.
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yes, medical residents are the work horses of most of America's hospitals. We are loosing thousands and thousands of manpower hours and there is no one to replace them.

The more rural, the greater the impact because residency spots are entirely filled with internationals grads (because US grads don't want these spots). So might have a hospital that has 20 attending physicians in Internal Medicine and 20 residents lose half their workforce. It's going to be nuts. These doctors provide inpatient coverage and outpatient clinic coverage too. I.e. half the town doctors that people see for their diabetes, blood pressures, etc will poof! And there is no one to replace them.
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These are work visas, not education visas, and unrelated to colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the huge cuts in research funding, many grad students who were being paid from grants will be available to TA. There may also be post docs willing to TA for funding, if their grants were cut.

It probably won't be that hard to fill gaps in missing international students this fall for TA spots.
School budgets will be hit and research will slow down, but I don't think it will stop US undergrads from being taught.

Except the TA funding gets cut when the grants and budget get cut. Without research, the grad students can’t continue their line of study.

TA funding comes from undergrad tuition, not grants. Labs still need to buy supplies for grad students to work, but those expenses are easier for a university to cover than stipends. Many schools have found money for supplies already. They aren't buying big, expensive new equipment purchases right now, but can probably float research supplies for a while.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yes, medical residents are the work horses of most of America's hospitals. We are loosing thousands and thousands of manpower hours and there is no one to replace them.

The more rural, the greater the impact because residency spots are entirely filled with internationals grads (because US grads don't want these spots). So might have a hospital that has 20 attending physicians in Internal Medicine and 20 residents lose half their workforce. It's going to be nuts. These doctors provide inpatient coverage and outpatient clinic coverage too. I.e. half the town doctors that people see for their diabetes, blood pressures, etc will poof! And there is no one to replace them.
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These are work visas, not education visas, and unrelated to colleges.

aren't medical residents on education visas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the huge cuts in research funding, many grad students who were being paid from grants will be available to TA. There may also be post docs willing to TA for funding, if their grants were cut.

It probably won't be that hard to fill gaps in missing international students this fall for TA spots.
School budgets will be hit and research will slow down, but I don't think it will stop US undergrads from being taught.

Except the TA funding gets cut when the grants and budget get cut. Without research, the grad students can’t continue their line of study.

TA funding comes from undergrad tuition, not grants. Labs still need to buy supplies for grad students to work, but those expenses are easier for a university to cover than stipends. Many schools have found money for supplies already. They aren't buying big, expensive new equipment purchases right now, but can probably float research supplies for a while.

TA funding does not come from tuition. Tuition is one revenue source which is distributed down to departments. Departments that carry their weight on research grants carry more grad students who then carry more TA roles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:International students do not pay full price on average.

See below

$26,800 is the average aid for international students at U.S. colleges

Analysis of 2022-2023 higher education data discloses U.S. colleges awarded international students $26,800 in financial aid on average last year.

However, packages tripled to nearly $77,000 among the most internationally-friendly schools.

https://www.skillademia.com/statistics/scholarship-statistics/

We the taxpayers are enabling the Chinese spies on our campuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the huge cuts in research funding, many grad students who were being paid from grants will be available to TA. There may also be post docs willing to TA for funding, if their grants were cut.

It probably won't be that hard to fill gaps in missing international students this fall for TA spots.
School budgets will be hit and research will slow down, but I don't think it will stop US undergrads from being taught.

Except the TA funding gets cut when the grants and budget get cut. Without research, the grad students can’t continue their line of study.

TA funding comes from undergrad tuition, not grants. Labs still need to buy supplies for grad students to work, but those expenses are easier for a university to cover than stipends. Many schools have found money for supplies already. They aren't buying big, expensive new equipment purchases right now, but can probably float research supplies for a while.

TA funding does not come from tuition. Tuition is one revenue source which is distributed down to departments. Departments that carry their weight on research grants carry more grad students who then carry more TA roles.

Yes, but departments will have fewer grad students if international grad students are blocked. Hence, the TA funding will cover students who were previously being supported by grants. There will be fewer grad students total.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:International students do not pay full price on average.

See below

$26,800 is the average aid for international students at U.S. colleges

Analysis of 2022-2023 higher education data discloses U.S. colleges awarded international students $26,800 in financial aid on average last year.

However, packages tripled to nearly $77,000 among the most internationally-friendly schools.

https://www.skillademia.com/statistics/scholarship-statistics/

We the taxpayers are enabling the Chinese spies on our campuses.

Yeah, all that spying in Bio 101 and Intro to Calculus. Lots of top secret information in undergrad curricula. HUGE risk. HUGE.

[Anonymous]

Only spies are allowed out of China. Ask me how I know.

[Anonymous]

Fewer courses offered, maybe alternate semesters so could take longer for Yankee Doodle Dandy to graduate. Higher tuition.

[Anonymous]

No more basket weaving courses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't even realize how much it will suck in big state schools if TAs (many of who are international grad students on student visas) aren't available to teach smaller discussion sections. Will they just do the 300 person lecture sessions and cancel the smaller TA support discussion sections.

This is all so bad. On top of the TA and research issue, people don't realize how much having fellow students in college from other countries studying alongside you enriches learning. Some of my favorite classmates in college were from Africa, India and France. For some people, college is the first time they are actually engaging deeply with non-US citizens (vacations out of country to a resort for a week aren't the same).

Smart undergraduate students will teach those TA sections. My student currently does. If you live in this area, surely your kid (and family) already engages deeply(!) with students and families from other countries. We have since daycare.
You will survive.