Schism in the church

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because Vance is an Opus Dei kook groomed by the Dark Enlightenment kooks. Add one part Trump cult and you’ve got the recipe for global disaster.

What? Isn’t that some nefarious secret society conspiracy like the Skulls and Crossbones at Yale. I don’t think it’s real.

[Anonymous]

Trump et al. are just high on the idea that they can control everything and everybody.

Fortunately, I think JD Vance will have zero influence on the Catholic Church. Maybe he will develop boils for his sins of greed and meglomania.

[Anonymous]

Tonight in Nashville, Gov. Bill Lee, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Harrison Butker, Kirk Cameron and Father Mike Schmitz are set to speak at Courage Under Fire Gala, an event that serves as a marker for an emergent Catholic right coalescing in Nashville. courageunderfiregala.org

https://bsky.app/profile/liamsadams.bsky.social/post/3lptzbchwwc2x

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They want to legitimize the white nationalist right, and doing it through the Church helps the cause.

This.

This is why you might have heard of the TradCath - Traditional Catholic "movement." Bannon is pretty full of himself to suggest that a bunch of right wing neckbeards that like the Latin mass and oppressing women are going to cause an actual schism, but I think it's likely that they will campaign to split from Rome and call it that. Very convenient for their eternal victim narrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because Vance is an Opus Dei kook groomed by the Dark Enlightenment kooks. Add one part Trump cult and you’ve got the recipe for global disaster.

What? Isn’t that some nefarious secret society conspiracy like the Skulls and Crossbones at Yale. I don’t think it’s real.

Opus Dei is very real -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Pope Leo is not going to be as "liberal" as Francis, and most importantly, he's not going to be as intentionally divisive.

Not sure how or why anyone things Francis was divisive. You have to be a pretty rigid conservative to think that.

Pope Francis established many impediments to celebrating the traditional Latin mass. If Pope Leo removes those, he will be good with the vast majority of the more religiously conservative wing of Catholics who simply want the liturgy they prefer back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Pope Leo is not going to be as "liberal" as Francis, and most importantly, he's not going to be as intentionally divisive.

Not sure how or why anyone things Francis was divisive. You have to be a pretty rigid conservative to think that.

Pope Francis established many impediments to celebrating the traditional Latin mass. If Pope Leo removes those, he will be good with the vast majority of the more religiously conservative wing of Catholics who simply want the liturgy they prefer back.

IT'S BEEN 60 YEARS - what are you even talking about? The only people that could truly prefer that liturgy are in their 70's and 80's, and 90's. The rest have been brought along by these sticks in the mud.

Unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Pope Leo is not going to be as "liberal" as Francis, and most importantly, he's not going to be as intentionally divisive.

Loving your neighbor never seemed divisive to me when I was in Sunday school. My parents treated this as the bedrock of our upbringing.

You have not been following Francis closely if you think that is all he said in his whole pontificate. You can agree with his stances but still recognize that he very much had a my way or the high way attitude, which did not play well with many in a church as diverse as the Catholic church. Unity was never a focus for him, but Leo has indicated very early on that it will be a main focus for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Pope Leo is not going to be as "liberal" as Francis, and most importantly, he's not going to be as intentionally divisive.

Not sure how or why anyone things Francis was divisive. You have to be a pretty rigid conservative to think that.

Pope Francis established many impediments to celebrating the traditional Latin mass. If Pope Leo removes those, he will be good with the vast majority of the more religiously conservative wing of Catholics who simply want the liturgy they prefer back.

IT'S BEEN 60 YEARS - what are you even talking about? The only people that could truly prefer that liturgy are in their 70's and 80's, and 90's. The rest have been brought along by these sticks in the mud.

Unbelievable.

Actually not true. The traditional mass is more popular with young people than older people. And you don't know how the church works. There are all sorts of subgroups within the church that I may find totally strange but that doesn't mean they deserve to be stamped out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Pope Leo is not going to be as "liberal" as Francis, and most importantly, he's not going to be as intentionally divisive.

+1

[Anonymous]

JD Vance is a phony Catholic who “converted” because it was a resume builder. He’s the worst kind of middle class striver.

[Anonymous]

Some young Country Club Catholics like to gate keep and think the Latin Mass is punk rock. Along with having the women wear doilies on their head. They don’t like that Hispanics will take over the American Catholic Church in the next three decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Pope Leo is not going to be as "liberal" as Francis, and most importantly, he's not going to be as intentionally divisive.

Not sure how or why anyone things Francis was divisive. You have to be a pretty rigid conservative to think that.

Pope Francis established many impediments to celebrating the traditional Latin mass. If Pope Leo removes those, he will be good with the vast majority of the more religiously conservative wing of Catholics who simply want the liturgy they prefer back.

IT'S BEEN 60 YEARS - what are you even talking about? The only people that could truly prefer that liturgy are in their 70's and 80's, and 90's. The rest have been brought along by these sticks in the mud.

Unbelievable.

Actually, it's the boomers brought up post-Vatican II who tend to be anti-traditional liturgy.

It's the younger people who are attracted to it. Pope Benedict XVI (pope from 2005 to 2013) loosened the strictures put in earlier on the Tridentine mass, exposing it to newer generations, who have become attached. Pope Francis re-instated the strictures and more, alienating this group.

Pope Leo will have the support of this group if the only thing he does is dial back the policy on the traditional mass to the days of Benedict.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Pope Leo is not going to be as "liberal" as Francis, and most importantly, he's not going to be as intentionally divisive.

Not sure how or why anyone things Francis was divisive. You have to be a pretty rigid conservative to think that.

Pope Francis established many impediments to celebrating the traditional Latin mass. If Pope Leo removes those, he will be good with the vast majority of the more religiously conservative wing of Catholics who simply want the liturgy they prefer back.

IT'S BEEN 60 YEARS - what are you even talking about? The only people that could truly prefer that liturgy are in their 70's and 80's, and 90's. The rest have been brought along by these sticks in the mud.

Unbelievable.

Actually, it's the boomers brought up post-Vatican II who tend to be anti-traditional liturgy.

It's the younger people who are attracted to it. Pope Benedict XVI (pope from 2005 to 2013) loosened the strictures put in earlier on the Tridentine mass, exposing it to newer generations, who have become attached. Pope Francis re-instated the strictures and more, alienating this group.

Pope Leo will have the support of this group if the only thing he does is dial back the policy on the traditional mass to the days of Benedict.

I just looked up stats on this - about 4% of US Catholic churches offer the Tridentine mass. I get that you have found this thread and are now going to present a decidedly minoritarian practice that most US Catholics have never been exposed to or participated in as some kind of movement, but it's simply not true and is blatant propaganda.

I'm sure the white Christian nationalists will make great bedfellows until they aren't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Pope Leo is not going to be as "liberal" as Francis, and most importantly, he's not going to be as intentionally divisive.

Not sure how or why anyone things Francis was divisive. You have to be a pretty rigid conservative to think that.

Pope Francis established many impediments to celebrating the traditional Latin mass. If Pope Leo removes those, he will be good with the vast majority of the more religiously conservative wing of Catholics who simply want the liturgy they prefer back.

IT'S BEEN 60 YEARS - what are you even talking about? The only people that could truly prefer that liturgy are in their 70's and 80's, and 90's. The rest have been brought along by these sticks in the mud.

Unbelievable.

Actually, it's the boomers brought up post-Vatican II who tend to be anti-traditional liturgy.

It's the younger people who are attracted to it. Pope Benedict XVI (pope from 2005 to 2013) loosened the strictures put in earlier on the Tridentine mass, exposing it to newer generations, who have become attached. Pope Francis re-instated the strictures and more, alienating this group.

Pope Leo will have the support of this group if the only thing he does is dial back the policy on the traditional mass to the days of Benedict.

Are these Latin services uniquely inspirational? What exactly is the appeal? I doubt most people have more than a basic understanding of junior high Latin, which is not even liturgical.